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Title: Athiesm and Chance Theory refuted & rejected.

User: Bhushan Nityananda dasa     Date: 2007-06-10 09:48:04

Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krishna

dandavats at lotus feet of all devotees

Gurudeva mercifully spoke the following points refutimg the probability theory in a conversation with me.

me=bhushan nityananda das

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me: Gurudeva today i was trying to preach to atheist

Swami: ok

me: that its upto ones belief

Swami: But the absolute truth has to be one

me: how to convince that Lord Gauranga Krishna is Absolute Truth

he says there is no absolute

everythings relative based on probability

Swami: if there are millions of beliefs, does it mean that there are million of realities

me: but he believes all these have a certain probability

each reality has certain probability

he says life came from God is also acceptable and life came by chance also acceptable, both are equally p0robable

Swami: you know what is the probability that life came by chance

Scientists calculation that

10- raised to - 40

You can quote him that research by the scientists

It is there in the NITAI Veda - Origins

me: ok

Swami: 10 raised to minus 40

is the probability

me: oh

but he was arguing that probability that life comes from God is also that small

Swami: even if argue that everyone is based on probability, since some have much more prob than others

No, the experiment proved that there is a higher intelligence

me: oh

Swami: 100% probability

me: wow

Swami: Also ask him what probability death has?

me: yeah

Swami: what is the probability that he will not die

me: he said that in future man will overcome death

Swami: if he says 0%

then it means there are somethings which have 0% probability

me: yes

Swami: scientists know all the reactions and chemicals in the body in detail

if they cannot stop old age and death now, how can stop it later

me: because they will become advanced

Swami: if there was a chance, they would have talked about it

me: but earlier people would laugh at he prospect of flying, so using the same logic

Swami: but hardly anyone talks about it, they try to hide the truth

even now man cannot fly

he just sits in a mechanical plane which flies

me: yes

Swami: birth and death are inherent truths of the body

not like flying in the plane

me: yes

Swami: he will also die while calculating the probability of his death

me: yes

but he asked that what i am telling is my belief

so i said its by authorised bonafide people

Swami: You can tell him in the Vedas, probability is a term meaning ignorance of the truth

it is modern invention term

because you don't know exactly, you are talking about probability

me: oh

Swami: When the truth is known, there is no probability

me: yes

Swami: So when you are using the world &quot;probable&quot;, it means you are unsure

me: yes

Swami: so it means you are in ignorance of the truth

so why not accept it

me: yes but when i say the truth he says its my belief and not necessary that its absolute

Swami: No, you can tell him, it is the truth

so probability itself proves that truth exists

because your source of knowledge in the Vedic scriptures which talk only of the truth, no probabilities

Who wants to know unsure probable knowledge

no one wants to even hear about what is probable

everyone wants to hear the facts

me: yes

Swami: the truth

I can make a million combinations of probability

but no one will look at it

me: yes

Swami: unless they know it is the truth

So he should stop wasting his time with probabilities

and try to search for truth

if there is probability that the truth exists

then why not try to find it

me: yes

Swami: he agrees that there is a probability that absolute exists

right?

me: yes

Swami: then why not try to find it

me: but he said its not fact

as many people consider many things as absolute

Swami: how can he say it is not a fact

me: so who really is absolute is a belief

Swami: he should say that it is also a probability that it i snot a fact

why is he using absolute terms

if he thinks everything is probable

why does he say this is my wife

he should day there is a probability that she is my wife

me: yeah i asked him what is probability that you are dead

Swami: he conveniently gives up probability when he wants

me: he said by empirical prior evidence

Swami: and talks about it when he wants

me: yes

Swami: but empirical prior evidence is also a probability

according to his philosophy

me: yes actually

he is staunch follower of him

Swami: his existence is also a probability

me: yes

Swami: there is a probability that _____ never existed as per his theory

me: yes

i should tell him tht

he came to the sankitan when you were here

Swami: yes, why is he forgetting that there is a probability that stephen hawkins maybe wrong

me: yes

Swami: why is he accepting him more than others

me: cause he is director

Swami: but if everyting is probabilty, then he should accept everything equally, why someone more than others.

me: yes

Swami: tell him that there is a big probability that his probability theory may be total fabrication

me: yeah

haha

Swami: what if that is true?

his life will be cheated

me: yes

ill tell him

when he comes during night

Swami: so he might well get his probabilities right

otherwise his life will become a probability

me: yeah

Swami: not reality

Swami: he should try to search for the truth where probability end

ends

me: to bring such people to Gauranga Krishna consciousness

yes

Gurudeva i heard that its the parmatama which inspires

to do sense gratification or do KC

Swami: no

me: oh

Swami: Paramatma never inspires for sense gratification

infact He feels great pain

me: oh

but depending on propensities he inspires?

Swami: He always inspires for GKC

me: oh

Swami: No, He never inspires for wrong things

He only permits us to do them

me: but i read that the wife of Shrila Prabhupada sold SB and hence SP took sannyasa , it was Krishna's mercy, so didnt the parmatama tell SPs wife to sell SB?

Swami: No

me: oh

Swami: He just allowed it

me: ok

is there any case where He dosen't allow

Swami: Shrila Prabhupada would have taken sannyasa anyway, his Gurudeva had a mission for him

No

me: oh

Swami: but he may give quick suffering

for those whom He wants them not to do it again

me: oh

Swami: Paramtama may inspire us not to do it, but He never stops it

That is the free will of the soul

me: oh

thank you soooo much

Swami: he leaves the final decision to us

yatthechasi tatha kuru

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aspiring to be humble servant of your lotus feet

bhushan nityananda das

Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krishna