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Title: Who came first
User: Swami Gaurangapada Date: 2006-12-20 19:16:00
from Matus. It concerns the development of the desires of the Lord. Lord Krishna decided to taste the love for Himself.. Means decided at a certain time, it involves time concept. Then manifested the Form of Gauranga. How the concept of time and eternity should be understood here? Does the Lord develops His desires in the eternal realm too? Answers below.
†Answer by Swami Gaurangapada:
†Please read the ďWho came first?Ē essay in SG Essays & Articles in the Gaurangapada VaniBase. Material time is not present in Goloka so there is no past but everything is present continuous. Thus it can be never be said whether Shri Shri Radha Krishna came first or whether Shri Gauranga came first.† Since Lord Gauranga is the combined form of Shri Shri Radha Krishna, there may be a tendency to feel that Shri Shri Radha Krishna came first. But such a conception is rejected in Jaiva Dharma and also by Shrila Jagadananda Pandita in Prema Vivarta:
"Do not waste valuable time uselessly trying to debate who appeared first - Shrimati Radharani and Lord Krishna or the son of Shrimati Sacidevi, Shri Gauranga Mahaprabhu. Earlier I explained that everything is perfectly adjusted on the transcendental plane. Thus, be extra cautious before you enter into a debate about who appeared first - Shri Gauranga Mahaprabhu or Shri Krishna."
†"Thus, Shrimati Radharani and Lord Krishna entered into one transcendental form which presently appears as my dearmost Lord Gauranga Mahaprabhu. And when I say 'presently' do not mistakenly judge this according to the mundane time factor. Remember, the transcendental truth is beyond the influence of time. Thus to say that Shrimati Radharani and Lord Krishna appeared before Lord Gauranga, who made His appearance recently, would be an attempt to impose material inebrieties like time and chronological order on Them. This misconception will totally alienate us from the eternal Truth. The two qualities, namely simultaneity and eternality are characteristic of the absolute reality which finds full expression in transcendental truth. Uninterrupted spiritual pastimes are the supreme excellences of this transcendental truth."
†Thus the conclusion is that Krishna Tattva and Gauranga Tattva, both are eternally existent from time immemorial along with Their Forms, Pastimes, Associates and Abodes.
† from Matus. Is Gauranga also sannyasi in the eternal Goloka? Does He has to manifest some of His Pastimes in the material world to fulfil His desires? Thank you very much for Your precious guidance.
†Answer by Swami Gaurangapada:
†In the eternal Navadvipa Dhama, He is always in His eternal and divine householder form with His beautiful curly locks of hair. But in the eternal Jagannatha Puri Dhama, He is also relishing His pastimes of separation with Lord Jagannatha in one part of Goloka Dhama as a divine Sannyasi. This is confirmed in Bhakti Ratnakara by the vision which Shrinivasa Acharya Thakura saw when he came to Puri Dhama where he say that the divine dancing of Lord Gauranga in front of the Lord Jagannathaís cart is an eternal pastime. As Shrimati Shachimata said that Navadvipa and Puri are two rooms of the same home and so is Vrindavana.