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Title: Naam Guru
User: Swami Gaurangapada Date: 2006-11-15 14:29:00
Q. Im wondering if a devotee acceptes first initiation from one guru and then accepts the second from another, whose disciple is he? I mean who is his diksha guru? More »: "http://www.nitai.in/#"
Answer by Swami: "http:///" Gaurangapada:
Naam: "http:///"]Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krishna! Jaya Guru Parampara! Pranams and Blessings! According to Harinama Chintamani by Seventh Goswami Shrila Saccidananda Bhaktivinoda Thakura, the Naam Guru is the highest Guru of the disciple i.e. one who gives [URL="http:///" Diksha. The second brahminical initiation was introduced by Shri Shrila Prabhupada Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura for Pancharatrika reasons and to establish that Vaishnavism includes Brahminism.
In the upcoming book Lion Guru on Shri Shrila Prabhupada Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura, there is one event where Shrila Bhaktisiddhanta glorifies the Naam: "http:///"]Naam disciples and jokingly mocks his senior Brahminical disciples saying something like “since [URL="http:///" includes everything they don’t even need the second initiation which you have got.”
It is a fact that Naam: "http:///"]Naam Diksha is the most prominent since the Holy Name includes all other Mantras. And it is Naam Japa and [URL="http:///" Sankirtana which will take us to Goloka.
If one’s Naam: "http:///"]Naam Guru disappears from this world, he or she can accept the Gayatri Mantras from any advanced Shiksha Guru if desired but still the Naam Guru remains the main Guru eternally in the life of the disciple. The Gurus who give Diksha in Naam and Shiksha in Naam Bhajan are our most prominent eternal Gurus as per Hari [URL="http:///" Chintamani.
No Guru can give reinitiation in the same Naam: "http:///" to other Guru’s disciples unless it is conclusively proven that the existing Guru is not chanting the Holy Names and is blaspheming the Vaishnavas and has deviated from Guru, Sadhu and Shastra with no hope to come back. If he does, it can be considered that the probability is that he is doing it for getting some cheap followers, name and fame.
In Naam: "http:///"]Krishna Bhajanamrita, Shrila Narahari Sarakara states that even if one’s Naam Guru is less powerful or advanced, one should never forsake him unless he is blaspheming the Vaishnavas or speaking against the scriptures. By his permission, one can go to an advanced Shiksha Guru to get Naam Shiksha from him or her and come and share it with his or her [URL="http:///" Diksha Guru. Just like one does not give up one’s father if the father is poor than the uncle.
Of course there may be a problem if the Naam: "http:///"]Naam Diksha Guru does not allow the disciple to go and hear from advanced Naam Shiksha Gurus. In that case the Naam Diksha Guru should provide convincing scriptural reasons why not to go to such and such Naam Shiksha Guru. If the disciple is convinced by these reasons then it is ok. If not the disciple should humbly try to put forward his or her points and if the Naam Diksha Guru remains adamant and becomes angry and if the disciple feels there is envy in the heart of the Guru in this regard, then the disciple may give up the Naam Diksha Guru and accept Naam again from that advanced [URL="http:///" Shiksha Guru. But it is a very tricky thing and unless the disciple is also sufficiently advanced to really judge the Guru, it may be advisable to proceed very very cautiously.
The Naam: "http:///"]Naam given by the Naam Diksha Guru to the disciple destroys all the past karma instantly. It is the 10 offenses in Krishna Naam and the sins which are commited by the disciple after Diksha that the Guru and the disicple both have to suffer for. Seventh Goswami Shrila Saccidananda Bhaktivinoda Thakura states that the sins in connection to the 10 offenses have no atonement and only incessant [URL="http:///" can destroy them thus making the sins due to the 10 offenses as the highest sins in creation.
After Naam: "http:///"]Naam Diksha, the Naam given by the Naam Guru takes and destroys the normal sins committed by the disiciples unknowingly or without pre-meditation, i.e. accidental falldowns irrespective of whether the [URL="http:///" Guru is personally present or disappeared from this world.
It is the 10 offenses sins committed by the disciple including the sins committed with deliberation and knowingly, which are actually a major obstacle for the Bhakti: "http:///"]Naam Guru to assimilate…Naam peye shishya kare Naam aparadha, se gurura haya Bhakti rasa badha…Hari Naam Chintamani states that sometimes the Guru’s [URL="http:///" may be blocked by the 10 offenses by the disciple and the Guru may end up being subordinate to money and the opposite sex if the Guru’s personal bhajan is not strong enough.
I can continue but but will end here for now. Thanks for asking very relevant questions for the benefit of the devotees. Yours in service of Naam: "http:///".