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Title: Gita Avyakta Murtina Query

User: Swami Gaurangapada Date: 2006-12-13 07:29:00


Q. Im a little confused. In the Bhagavad Gita (9.4), Krishna say: “By Me, in My unmanifested form, this entire universe is pervaded. All beings are in Me, but I am not in “them.” I dont understand. I thought He was the Supersoul in all living beings. Doesn’t that mean that He is in them? Is He different than the Supersoul? Also, what does He mean in His unmanifested form. That sounds a little impersonal. Is that what Krishna is saying? More »: ""

  Answer by Swami: "http:///" Gaurangapada: Very interesting question. Our Rasika Acharya Shrila Vishvanatha Chakravarti Thakura gives the answer in his Bhavanuvada. He translates the world “avyakta-murtinaa” in this verse as “My form (murti) which is not vyakta (manifest) to others’ material senses” instead of the common meaning “impersonal form”. So avyakta murtina actually means the Supersoul since the Supersoul cannot be seen by material vision. And when Shrila Prabhupada translates as “unmanifest form” for avyakta murtina, he is talking of the impersonal brahmajyoti effulgence from the body of the Lord not the Supersoul.

 In regards to your second question, “why is He saying that He is not in them”, He is not saying that He is not within our bodies as the Supersoul. He is talking about our soul (bhutani). He is saying that the soul is only His partial marginal energy and He is thus not fully situated in the soul. Thanks for thinking deeply about Lord Krishna: "http:///"’s words.


Title: Re: Gita Avyakta Murtina Query

User: Chandrika Gauranga dasi      Date: 2006-12-16 08:57:00


Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krishna,

 I always thought of this concept as being somewhat like a mirror. In as much as further to this Krishna states that he always remains aloof from this world. So how on earth can he be present everywhere as is generally spoken.

 In the Gita also the Lord says that the world is a reflection of the spirit world.

 In Govardhana there is a temple where you go to the Deity and on every side is a mirror. It is very cool and can be a tangible experience of how such a thing can happen.

 As when you stand there and look, you see billions of reflections endlessly going on in the mirrors that face each other either side of the Deity. The Deity remains on his pedestal, but if you look either side in the mirror, you see billions of endless reflections. Its quite a cool temple and quite an interesting concept.

 And to me at least it explained this idea that although Krishna remains aloof and remains whole and complete in the spiritual world. Due to this reflective nature of the material world that is expained in the Gita, he also is somewhat present here.

 Best Wishes

Chandrika Gauranga dasi


Title: Re: Gita Avyakta Murtina Query

User: Swami Gaurangapada Date: 2006-12-16 09:00:00


Your understanding is close. It is not exactly the Lord’s reflection but the Lord’s partial Purusha expansions of Lord Karanodakashayi, Garbhodakashayi and Kshirodakashayi Vishnu who are in this material creation. So in that way the original Lord Gauranga Krishna is aloof and situated in the spiritual world. This material world is a reflection but it is a real reflection so Lord Gauranga Krishna has to take real forms of the three Purusha Incarnations to manage this material creation. Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krishna! Jaya Guru Parampara! Pranams and Blessings!