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Vaishnava Siddhanta Mala
by Seventh Goswami Shrila
Saccidananda Bhaktivinoda Thakura

Chapter 2: Bhagavan Alone Is the Supreme Truth
Do Not Try to Become God
Commentary by His Holiness
BRS Swami Gaurangapada

His Holiness Swami Gaurangapada : The incarnation of the Lord has come in this world in Kali Yuga. And if one does not drown in his love then one will drown in material existence

Q9. What is impersonal consciousness?

A. First, the principle in the material world which separates all things is called visesa (distinction based upon material quality). By merely renouncing material thinking, one only gives up the conception of material distinction, and thereby one's consciousness falls into the realm of nirvisesa (non-distinction). In this condition, one is unable to perceive the differences between material objects, since the self is situated in nirvana or merging with the impersonal abode of Brahman. This state is not a happy one at all; being bereft of the natural bliss of the eternally conscious soul, the prema or ecstatic love for the Lord remains concealed. The eternal pastimes of Sri Krsna are certainly beyond matter; indeed, they are endowed with cin-maya-visesa, or divinely conscious distinction.

His Holiness Swami Gaurangapada : We come to question 9 of the second chapter, its an important question, we have seen the 2 obstacles in bhakti yoga, jada buddhi and nirvisesa buddhi

So what is impersonal consciousness, the first obstacle was material consciousness, jada buddhi. So this 2nd obstacle to bhakti is when one stops identifying the difference between the soul and God, it means that the soul is not actually interested in serving God as the soul wants to become 1 with God which is theoretically impossible

jiva-bhutah sanatanah

In Bhagavad Gita 15.7 Krishna says that every soul is eternally my part and parcel. Due to conditioned life the soul is struggling very hard with his soul and mind, this is a difference between us and the Lord as the Lord does not have too, as he has a spiritual body , so there is a distinct differnce between us and the Lord which one has to understand. jiva-bhutah sanatanah The soul is etenally my part, that it its constitution, like a screw in a blast furnace, the screw is a part of the blast furnace but can never become the blast furnace

So in that way there is alot of variety in the material and spiritual worlds. As the soul is an individual part of the Lord so the soul always has independant free will, so the soul can produce alot of variety by the sanction of the Lord, he has free will and desires. But still he is the same soul, same in quality as the Lord but different in quantity.

The impersonalists they argue that just like in the ocean there are many rivers into the ocean, similarly the impersonalists think that they will all become God, become equal to God. They are in illusion but think that when they come out they will become God

But an intelligent person who studies the rivers flowing into the ocean, still beneath the waves under the surface there is a vast aquatic life of much variety. From outsode the ocean looks one, but if one dives deep in, one sees, all kinds of sharks and fish and dolphins and plant life and so many varieties.

In that way those who have a superficial understanding of spiritual life they say we are all one we are all God, but if one goes deeper...higher than the brahman understanding. Higher than that is the paramatma realisation and the Bhagavan realisation. That there is variety and that the soul has qualities like the Lord but not quantities like him and the goal is to serve the Lord

The rivers merging into the sea and everything becoming one is meaningless, just like in the sea still so much variety, still in the spiritual world every soul remains one and every soul has his own service.

The Vaishnava Acharyas have dived deeper and deeper into bhakti yoga and they have described in literature that oneness with God is very lowly for the devotees. So the devotees, the Vaishnava acharyas, who are compared to the shraks who dive deep and get the essence and the impersonalists are compared to the salmon fishes, they just want to spawn or swim in the streams. So the mayavadis, they give up the depth of bhakti yoga the flawless and deep philosophy of bhakti yoga, to simply try to swim in the streams of impersonal liberation.

Unfortunately when the salmons or the impersonalists try to swim in the streams of mukthi, they try to negate the personal relationship of the soul with God as there is not much water there, so the impersonalists are dry. So the natural loving propensity, the natural loving propensity to love the Lord is negated because they try to love themselves. In the garb of renunciation they become the greatest enjoyers by trying to claim they are God themselves, just like if someone tries to achieve name and fame in this world, similarly its like the most sinful mentality in this world is trying to become God, trying to enjoy like God. Just like somebody who wants to become famous actor,politician achieve something in this world. Devotees are exempt of this offense as they repose their love for Gauranga Krishna, they understand that they are individually servants of the Lord.

And even the impersonalist may become successful to merge in the bodily effulgence of the Lord, even then from that brahmajyoti they fall down, because just hanging around in the brahmajyoti for millions of years, still that dynamic relationship is not attained. They have temporary freedom from birth and death but just like a rocket cant stay in the sky always eventually it has to take shelter of a planet when the fuel runs out.

Similarly the impersonalists may remain in the brahmajyoti for zillions of year. In fact I would say that those failed impersonalists are more lucky as they have at least a chance to become a devotee. A soul who is successuful in being an impersonalist has to stay that way for billions of years unless a pure devotee is met there who will chant them the Holy Names and give them a chance

Those who fail to attain the Bramha Jyoti are more lucky, they have got another chance to perform as a materialistic can at least try to become devotees they get another chance to perform Bhakti Yoga.

So merging with God is like poison for the devotee. To the pure devotee, the world of the impersonalists is simply speculation of the mind, just like a light that passes through tinted glass, the light gets the color of the glass, but the light does not actually have that light. Similarly even though the mayavadis do kirtan or exhibit symptoms of bliss, they have the desire to become 1 with God and it is illusory. In fact by trying to become 1 with god our heart becomes like steel, and one is unable to love or having any feeling for the Lord. The desire to become 1 with God tinges their spiritual practise and their spiritual practise is useless.

They claim that everyone is God, they say dont try to become humble they say you are great you are God, but if you ask them the question why is it that only some souls are liberated...if all souls are God how come some are in ignorance, how can God come under ignorance. They cannot answer that. My question to them is that of you put 1 drop of red ink in the ocean does the ocean become red?

If everyone is God and still some souls are in ignorance then that would mean that ignorance is God as it would have to be more powerful than God, as it has overpowered the souls they say are God. So that is because of the ignorance of bhakti yoga. Bhakti yoga says that the soul is in the tatastha region of the Lord, the soul is infinitessimally small and can at any time become bewildered by the illsuory energy. That is the bhakti philosophy. Does it make any sense to paint a flower or to gild gold. It makes no sense as the flower is very beautiful already. Simlarly the mayavadi interparetations are of no use to the devotees, we dont want to hear their explanations of Shrimad Bhagavatam and Chaitanya Bhagavatam.

So when those impersonalists preach the devotees cover their ears as everything they say about the Bhagavatama etc is tinged by their desire to become 1 with God

eg...there was child who was dying from typhoid, which when one takes very oily things one gets this sickness, so when a child is sick or ill what should the mother do?

Gauranga dasi : treat the child

Candrika Gauranga dasi : she should take care of him

Gauranga dasi : give medicines

Candrika Gauranga dasi : make him comfortable and pray he will get better?

Bhushan : The mother should control the childs intake of oil and give him medicines.

His Holiness Swami Gaurangapada : The mother will try to treat the child...similarly when the soul is suffering and sick by being embodied in tese miserable bodies, that soul is going into oblivion into the 8.4 million species of life, then if the soul does not enquire about the soul then he falls into the cycle of birth and death by transmigration, so the devotees try to save the soul by chanting , but the mayavadis try to kill the soul by saying that he is great. Already the soul is facing misery due to the false ego(Ahankar).Due to false ego its misidentifying with its body.The soul is already very puffed up, has a big ego, as he tried to enjoy separately from God, so already the soul has a big ego. So the mayavadis the impersonalists try to increase the ego even further by telling the soul he is God

So the greatest disservice to the soul is this impersonalistic philosophy

A Vaishnava Guru should be glorified and worshipped as a servant of God not as God, and similarly to Vaishnavas.

The impersonalists think that their material desires are the cause of their bondage, so they try to become empty of their desires, but if one empties a cup of water into a bucket of water, will that work.Trying to become empty, still you have to be refilled, material desires will again fill us, the soul always has to desire.The soul cannot remain static. The soul always wants to desire something.

The empty glass has to be filled with milk, so the empty heart should be refilled with spiritual desires to chant the Holy Names

To become desireless, one has to desire, so this desireless philosophy is all bogus, Srila Prabhupada saved us from this philosophy. Lord Gauranga defeated the mayavadis.

Please tell me, you are all nice devotees, if someone comes to you and says you are totally void, you have no form, will you take that as a compliment? If they say you are formless?

Candrika Gauranga dasi : I would say they were insane

His Holiness Swami Gaurangapada : Perhaps someone would slap that person as it is a big insult to be told we are formless. So do you think that God is happy if someone speculates he is formless, the Lord becomes angry.

janma karma ca me divyam

The mayavadis skip this verse from the Gita.The Lords activities are for the deliverance of all souls,

in the Gita the Lord says my activities are transcendental. The specualtors cannot interpret this verse. One who understand the transcendental nature of my birth and my activities, actually never takes birth in this material world, so his pastimes are for our benefit. Impersonalists are doomed unless they realise their mistake.

When you plant a mango seed in the ground, it will yield a tree with sweet mangos, but when you put a poisonous ivy seed in the ground then it will develope into a poisonous creeper. The devotees try to serve the Lord humbly with love and devotion. Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare

Those devotees are fortunate as they plant the sweet nectar of bhakti devotion, a creeper that will take the soul to Gololka Vrindavan, it is the bhakti lata seed they plant. But those who are always speculating and scheming to reject God are sowing a very poisonous seed in their heart. A desire to become 1 with god, and due to that seed they attain the displeasure of the Lord then they have no chance to go into the spiritual world ever.

One who takes shelter of Bhakti Yoga he becomes a Mahatma. One who takes shelter of bhakti yoga becomes a mahatma but one who wants to become one with god cannot be called a mahatma. In the vedas it is said that everything is ultimately judged by the fruits so if the specualtive doctrines dont produce a loving heart for the Lord then what is the use of their fruits and their seeds and their practises if they cant become humble enough to understand they are part and parcel of the Lord then what is the use.

Actual knowledge means that one comes to the conclusion that that one should sureender to him, to one who understand s that he is everything. Even this they misinterpret by saying that Vasudevaya is impersonal which is foolish as Vasudevaya is the son of Vasudev. A person!

The Lord says that his impersnal form is only an aspect of his. That he knows the sentiment of all souls in the past present and future. He is the supremely sentient being.

So ultimately in the beginning middle and end there is only the Lord there, all souls are originally present in the tatastha shakti. That is the like the sun rays, the tatastha shakti and all souls are there in that marginal line and at that time when there the soul tries to choos whether to enjoy in the material world or to go to the spiritual world and try to serve God humbly by chanting:

Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare

Questions and Answers

Candrika Gauranga dasi : i read that the word yoga in sansktit means union, and bhakto yoga is about union with the Lord, so union can be a misleading word and ow ondered for a better word to describe yoga?

His Holiness Swami Gaurangapada : Yoga comes yuj means to join or to connect

Candrika Gauranga dasi : so if you join 2 things they become one, that the problem I see

His Holiness Swami Gaurangapada : yoga means to connect our lost relationship with God.

If u join 2 compartments in a train, the compartments are connected, united, but they are still different and still each compartment even though connected has its own things going on inside as we spoke of yesterday. So yoga means to connect with Lord.

Gauranga dasi : how are we parts n parcels of the Lord?

His Holiness Swami Gaurangapada : just like a gold ring taken from a gold mine,the gold ring has the same qualities as the gold in the mine, but is just a small part of the whole gold in the mine, so the lord is like the gold mine and we are the gold rings. Qualitively similar and quantatively different.

Gauranga dasi : but the ring come from gold itself so same is soul united earlier

His Holiness Swami Gaurangapada : yes ultimately everything coming from God, all the souls and universe are coming and going from the inhaling and exhaling of Maha Vishnu. So the soul is like a particle of a sun ray, and the Lord is like the sun and the soul is like a particle of his rays

Amala Gauranga das : Maharaja could you explain about the different types of annihilations-the 4 types?

His Holiness Swami Gaurangapada : The whole 12th canto of Srimad Bhagavatam, the 4th chapter deals with these 4 kinds of annihilation. It is a very detailed subject. The URL of the chapter online is

During his night Brahma sleeps, and the three planetary systems meet destruction; this is the naimittika, or occasional, annihilation. When Brahma’s life span of one hundred years is finished, there occurs the prakritika, or total material, annihilation. At that time the seven elements of material nature, beginning with the mahat, and the entire universal egg composed of them are destroyed.When a person achieves knowledge of the Absolute, he understands factual reality. He perceives the entire created universe as separate from the Absolute and therefore illusory. That is called the ätyantika, or final, annihilation (liberation). In this way the progress of time is described in terms of the four kinds of annihilation—continuous, occasional, elemental and final. This can be read in more detail in the Bhagavatam chapter i gave u.

Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krishna! Jaya Shrila Prabhupada, Shrila Bhaktisiddhanta, Shrila Bhaktivinoda, Shri Shri Nitai-Gaura Bhakta Vrinda and Shri Shri Radha Krishna Bhakta Vrinda! Jaya Jagannatha! Pranams and Blessings!

Transcribed by Bhushan, Gauranga dasi and Chandrika Gauranga dasi

Final Layout by Chandrika Gauranga dasi