Post Author: Swami Gaurangapada Date: 2006-05-05 05:30:47
Title: Basic Philosophy Chat with a devotee User: Damodara Svarupa dasa Date: 2005-04-01 19:27:16
Basic Philosophy Chat with a devotee -- By Swami Gaurangapada
(SG = Swami Gaurangapada, G = Devotee)
G : hare krishna G : i want to tell u 1 thing G : ii will need some time to absorb the concepts of Gauranga Dharma. SG: Yes. SG: Suree SG: Spiritual life is voluntary and scientific G : coz i do meditataion G : but i nver did chanting G : or bhajans G : or never attended kirtans SG: Yes Mantra Meditation is greatest meditation SG: as per the Vedas, anavritti sabdat G : let me get first of all convinced G : i will start chanting mantra SG: Yess no problem SG: The whole creation has come from spiritual sound G : if i feel the difference..then only i will continue G : and i think that will take time G : patience ..that's wat i need SG: That is ok G : wat if instead of the maha mantra i chant OM SG: We chant the Mantrarajas and Mahamantra to please God G : k SG: and when He is pleased, we are automatically pleased G : k SG: because we are His part and parcels G : k SG: Om is an invocation of God G : i was in baroda last month SG: Ok G : for a conference at the station we met a devotee
SG: Ok G : he was from russia he was chanting krishna G : and was selling the bhagavat geeta G : we (my self and my students) had a talk with him SG: Yes ok SG: Are you a teacher? G : ya i am lecturere G : i teach botany SG: Ok
G : so i was telling that we had a talk with him, he was a robber G : when he was in russia SG: Ok G : ya but he is completely changed G : the moment he told us that we were shocked G : however he did not elaborate and we ran to catch the train SG: Yess simply by chanting the Holy Names of God: Nityananda, Gauranga and Hare Krishna, one develops all good qualities and gives up all the bad ones in a very short time. G : anyways we missed the train and did not find him again G : actually my students are stuck up with the question SG: Ohh so sorry G : how did he change????? G : thats bothering them till today SG: Simply by vibrating the Holy Names of Nityananda, Gauranga and Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare, Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare. SG: That is the secret and answer. G : ok SG: When you touch the Holy Names with your lips SG: You come in direct contact with God SG: and immediately you develop the qualities of God G : ok SG: So you can tell them the secret G : i dont understand this philosophy, but believe it surly works coz i have seen people changing with that SG: You should also teach your students how to chant the Holy Names of God G : no its not easy to convince a teen G : they have a lot of why and buts SG: Then you will be spiritual teacher also G : and hows G : ya i teach them meditation SG: You can teach how to live nicely in this world SG: and you can teach how to end this miserable cycle of birth and death and go back to the Kingdom of God SG: so you are permanently solving their problem SG: 4 main problems G : they all had been last month to one Gurus lecture SG: of birth, old age, disease and death G : i found one thing in common in all those who are devotees if i am not wrong SG: Those who pose themselves as God are actually the reverse Dog G : they are the once who already have a belief in lord 1st SG: Real Guru means one who shows us the real God: Lord Gauranga-Krishna SG: Real Guru never says that he is God SG: Real Guru instructs everyone to chant the Holy Names of God not his own name SG: otherwise he is simply a cheater SG: Yes we have to make God 1st in our life SG: because G : did u find anyone who never believed in god and had no probs in life and have become devotees SG: all our degrees, talents and qualifications SG: are big 000000000000000000000000000s SG: Lord Gauranga-Krishna is the 1 SG: if you put 1 before the 00000000000000000000s SG: the valuee is so great SG: but only 000000000s it is 00000000 SG: Yes majority of the devotees did not know about God earlier G : i was waiting to hear the answer SG: In the Gita it is said SG: 4 kinds of people come to God G : who the four SG: (1) Distressed (2) Seeking wealth (3) Inquisitive (4) Those who are already in knowledge SG: so all of these four becomes devotees of God and begin chanting His Holy Name G : and what abt the rest? SG: It is upto them SG: Whatever you want in life SG: you should come to the Supreme Lord Gauranga-Krishna SG: not go to the demigods or the devatas SG: because it is ultimately the Supreme Lord who is giving the power even to the devatas SG: But if the soul does not desire to chant the Name of God then God does not interfere with the minute independence given by Him to that soul G : why did u leave IIT G : why did u get into krishna philosophy SG: I wanted to help all the souls to end their miseries SG: and understand their relation with God. And I had to sacrifice something for this topmost welfare work. G : when and how did that feeling start, to help SG: There are many doctors, lawyers, teachers SG: But really the world requires Spiritual Guides who teach the chanting of bonafide Holy Names SG: otherwise the soul is doomed SG: in the 8.4 million species of life SG: sometimes the soul becomes a dog, cat, donkey, cockroach, plant, bird, fish etc SG: Do you like to become all this? G : yes why not
G : if soul is a soul then y body shud matter SG: That is because you have no idea how much suffering is there G : its the same i suppose SG: Yes so the emergency is to end the suffering G : every body is born lives and dies, the same SG: the pleasure of eating, sleeping, sex like and defending is there in all bodies
SG: even animals do that G : yes SG: so the human life is meant for spiritual inquiry SG: because God has given us higher intelligence SG: Not simply eating SG: sleeping SG: mating G : i dont think so its only human beings that can be spiritual G : may be we still dont understand the spritiuality of other forms SG: Human beings can be more easily SG: they have developed intelligence G : if it werent why have they been created in this earth SG: They can ask the question SG: Who is God? G : intellegence is not a way to god G : u told me just a few mins back SG: No that was material intelligence SG: You need sharp spiritual intelligence to understand God G : if its spiritual intellegence u r talking about SG: It is not blind faith or sentimentalism G : then even a cow or a dog holds that SG: How do you know that SG: Can a cow ask who is God G : how do we know G : whats so special abt me as a human being SG: the animal bodies are created by God just to discharge the reactions G : may be it is a overconfidence we have we being human beings SG: of the papa and punya the soul has performed in the human body SG: Human life is like a junction SG: With this human body, you can either go to the spiritual world SG: or come down SG: in the animal bodies SG: or you can temporarily become a devata or an asura, whatever you desire, You can choose now. G : come down SG: That is why God always incarnates on this Earth in this universe G : i dont believe in this, dont mind SG: You may believe it or not SG: You will have to face it SG: when you die SG: You will get a body SG: as per your karma in this human life SG: If you only slept whole life, you will get the body of a bear SG: which sleeps for 6 months SG: if you want to only eat, you will get the body of a pig SG: with can eat anything from garbage G : ridiculous a soul follows a body SG: If you want to only have sex, you will get the body of pigeon SG: who can have sex hundreds of times in a month SG: because human body is just not meant SG: for eating, sleeping, mating and defending SG: otherwise we are simply sophisticated animals G : hmm SG: A material body is created by the soul SG: as per one's actions SG: in the human form of life SG: so we can determine where our soul will go after death by what we are doing now G : ok G : how abt karma yog SG: If we daily chant the Holy Names of God, then we are preparing an eternal spiritual body for the soul in the kingdom of God SG: from where is no return SG: no birth, death, old age and disease SG: Karma means action and Yoga means to connect with God or do our karma as an offering to God SG: You do not become Karma Yogis simply by working hard like a donkey SG: and maintaining your family SG: where is Yoga in that SG: Yoga means connection with God SG: so I hope you understanding G : yes trying to G : but not understanding G : i mean not getting convinced SG: We are not asking anything material from you, but want you to chant the Holy Names of God daily SG: God is giving you food, water, air SG: will you not say thank you to Him daily SG: can any scientist create SG: a piece of grain or air or water in his lab SG: they know h2 + O = water but can they combine and make it SG: Noo it is God's gift G : natures gifts SG: Nature but whose Nature SG: when I say Nature then it has to someone's nature SG: Your nature, my nature, his nature SG: her nature SG: so Nature is the energy of God SG: Lord Gauranga-Krishna is the Person possessing that Nature SG: It is so simple to understand SG: Nothing happens by chance G : ok SG: Do you think all the traffic signals in in your town G : i think it ll take time for me to get convinced SG: are all running on their own SG: That is foolishness SG: Some person is pulling the switch and controlling it somewhere SG: Similarly Nature is not independent SG: Lord Gauranga-Krishna states in the Gita SG: mayadhyakshena prakritih SG: The Nature is running by My direction. It is My Prakriti SG: so we have to accept the word of God: the Gita SG: otherwise we will forever remain confused G : then we have to accept the word of god SG: Yes because He is the perfect authority SG: the source of everything SG: so only He knows things as they are SG: because everything has come from Him so He knows everything SG: so I hope this is convincing G : Yes. SG: Thank you so much.
Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krishna! Jaya Gauranga Dharma!