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Success in Mantra Meditation: 01-05-05 Chat

Post Author: Swami Gaurangapada    Date: 2006-01-14 16:27:11
Title: Success in Mantra Meditation: 01-05-05 Chat
User: Swami Gaurangapada    Date: 2005-05-01 19:34:16

Success in Mantra Meditation
Live Temple Room Satsanga: 5th May 2005: 10.15 - 11 pm, Indian Standard Time.

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krishna! Pranams and Blessings to everyone!

- Matus Kmit says:
    Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krishna Shri Swami Gaurangapada

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    So it is time for our evening Live Satsanga 10.15 to 11 pm my time.

- Matus Kmit says:
    Haribol

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    Today's discussion will be on how to perform Mantra Meditation with full success

- Matus Kmit says:
    All Glories to the Holy Names!

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    The most important while chanting is "where is our mind" during chanting

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    The Sound Vibration of the Holy Names manifest the Spiritual Form and Presence of the Lord

- Matus Kmit says:
    I have the Maha Mantra Yoga site on my screen.

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    Are we absorbed in that Presence of the Lord while chanting, or are we absorbed in our disturbing mental thoughts which plague us during the day?

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    The Holy Names are full with unlimited spiritual variety

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    That should be tapped by us while Mantra Meditation

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    Shrila Bhaktivinoda Thakura states: While turning the beads with the fingers and reciting the Mantrarajas and Maha-mantra, one should search out the meaning of the names with the mind.

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    Since in the neophyte stage the meanings of the Holy Names

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    will not manifest spontaneously

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    so we have search them out

- Matus Kmit says:
    I think there is our imagination in the game too...isn't it?

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    in the beginning one has to imagine the Lord's form, qualities and pastimes while chanting, but gradually they will become more and more real and the Lord will spontaneously arise in our heart in His true form.

- Matus Kmit says:
    My experience is, that I "switch" between the methods while I'm chanting: concentrating on the meanings, sometimes on the sound vibration, another time on the forms, sometimes pastimes.... is it ok?

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    Yes, Matus, that is perfect.

- Matus Kmit says:
    I mean all these methods I apply while my chanting session...

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    In the beginning stages of Mantra Meditation, meditation or visualization of the Form and Pastimes may be difficult

- Matus Kmit says:
    I ask myself, if it isn't better to just fix myself on one of them...

- Matus Kmit says:
    methods...

- Matus Kmit says:
    but it's difficult anyway..

- Ronald McCarthy says:
    Nityananda, Gauranga, Hare Krishna

- Ronald McCarthy says:
    Please accept my obeisance’s

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krishna! Pranams and Blessings Ronald!

- Matus Kmit says:
    ok, thank You Gurudevaji

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    Fixing one's mind on the Sound of the Holy Names is non-different from fixing one's mind on the Form and Pastimes of the Lord because from the Sound will come all the other characteristics of the Lord.

- Matus Kmit says:
    Yes, but sometimes meditating on the Forms, f.e., can bring one's concentration from the Sound away....

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    The Sound of the Holy Names is not a material sound vibration, but it is transcendental, it directly descends from the spiritual world from the pastimes of the Lord.

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    Shrila Jiva Goswami says in the Krama Sandarbha above web page which you are reading in your browser: “In this way, by constantly hearing the transcendental sound of the Holy Names gradually the transcendental form of Lord Gauranga Krishna awakens within the purified heart along with the chanting.

- Matus Kmit says:
    Yes

- Matus Kmit says:
    ok, so one needs to just PRACTICE....

- Matus Kmit says:
    again and again

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    In the beginning, since one needs to make an effort to remember the Form of the Lord while hearing the Sound...

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    So one may feel a little distracted, but by practice, the Sound of the Name will become one the Form and the Form will become one with the Name. The Sound of the Name will seem to be coming from the Form and the Form will seem to be coming from the Name. This is beginning of self-realization.

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    At such a stage, the chanter will start to experience bliss, this is beginning of the unlimited ocean of spiritual happiness.

- Ronald McCarthy says:
    What is it when one sees the Deities and then seems to be nothing existing around...like a merging. Can not really hear or realize that which is going on around you.

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    Ronald, one should never forget to chant and hear the Sound of the Holy Names while seeing the Deity of the Lord, because ultimately the Holy Name will give us the spiritual eyes to see the Deity in truth.

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    Even if you forget everything while seeing the Form of the Lord, but please don't forget the Holy Names.

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    Because the Name will take you beyond the Form and then to the Qualities and Pastimes of the Lord.

- Guilherme Nunes says:
    Spiritual eyes = third eye?

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    Yes, Gui, it the spiritual eyes of our soul

- Ronald McCarthy says:
    ok. That makes sense. And, chanting is the primary focus.

- Ronald McCarthy says:
    The holy Names are foremost and encompass the form and attributes of the lord.

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    And the heart is the center of all realizations while chanting, because the soul resides in the region of the heart.

- Matus Kmit says:
    So than we could assume, than if there is love in our heart, in fact is a attribute of our soul...

- Guilherme Nunes says:
    im working here, but im listening and reading the messages

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    Yes, the real spiritual love for the Lord will manifest when we hear the Sound Vibration of the Nityananda and Gauranga Mantrarajas and the Hare Krishna Mahamantra with rapt attention and absorption.

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    There is no other way to manifest our dormant and natural love for the Lord except to hear the Holy Names regularly or constantly.

- Matus Kmit says:
    Hari Hari

- Matus Kmit says:
    Nityaaaaananda Gauraaaaanga

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    The more constantly and the more meditatedly one chants and hears the Holy Names, the faster the soul will awaken the spontaneous love for the Lord which is lying dormant from time immemorial, from the time we became conditioned in this material world in this material body.

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    “When the form of the Lord is firmly established within the heart while chanting then gradually the sixty-four qualities of the Lord arise within the heart and get established there."

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    “As the Lord’s qualities fully manifest themselves, His different specific characteristics and those of His eternal associates gradually awaken."

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    “In this way when the Lord’s form, qualities, and characteristics are manifest in the heart in their full splendor while chanting the Holy Names, the ultimate transcendental pastimes of the Lord gradually appear and gradually impart the chanter with the qualification of directly participating in those loving pastimes with the Lord.”

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    You see the Pastimes comes as Waves from Name, Form and Qualities

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    Unless one realizes the Name, Form and Qualities are one while chanting, the ultimate vision of the Holy Pastimes of the Lord cannot be factually achieved.

- Matus Kmit says:
    Ok , so better step by step..

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    Yes, it is like when you see a train from far, you cannot the activates of the people inside the train

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    You need to come closer and closer to the train, see the form of the train, then the features, then the people inside and then the activities

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    Yes, it is like when you see a train from far, you cannot the activates of the people inside the train

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    You need to come closer and closer to the train, see the form of the train, then the features, then the people inside and then the activities

- Matus Kmit says:
    Are the 64 qualities same for Lord Gauranga-Krishna and Lord Nityananda-Balarama?

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    64 Divine Qualities of Lord Krishna and 25 Divines Qualities of Shri Radha

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    And They combine in the form of Lord Gauranga

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    So we have a few minutes to go for tonight's spiritual lesson, any last questions?

- Ronald McCarthy says:
     Isn't quality of chanting as important as the number of rounds?..pronouncing each word and syllable...

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    Yes, sure Ronald, if one chants with Quality, then one will want to increase the Quantity too because one will never be satisfied with Relishing the Nectar.

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    Quality does not only mean pronouncing each syllable properly Ronald, it means deeply meditating on the transcendental meaning of each syllable and Name

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    Someone may be properly pronouncing the Holy Names but the mind is elsewhere, wandering in the material world.

- Ronald McCarthy says:
    Very true... and that is not beneficial

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    Yes, that is not Quality Chanting or Quality Mantra Meditation

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    Simply Hearing the Name is surely beneficial though

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    But more benefit is there when the Chanting is accompanied by Meditation on the Meanings of the Names.

- Ronald McCarthy says:
    and..by chanting we hear it as well as meditate upon it

- Ronald McCarthy says:
    This form of meditation is different from what I was used to..and it is easy to see that it is much more beneficial.

- Matus Kmit says:
    So Lord Gauranga has together 89 qualities and what about Lord Nityananda??

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    Lord Nityananda Balarama is most merciful Matus, but we do not find a number for His unlimited divine qualities in the revealed scriptures.

- Ronald McCarthy says:
    Thank you, Gurudeva for this wonderful and helpful lesson. This certainly is blessing

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    Thank you all for being here.

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    Meet you in the next spiritual lesson.

- Swami Gaurangapada says:
    Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krishna! Jaya Shrila Prabhupada, Shrila Bhaktisiddhanta, Shrila Bhaktivinoda, Shri Shri Nitai-G Bhakta Vrinda and Shri Shri Radha Krishna Bhakta Vrinda! Jaya Jagannatha! Pranams and Blessings!



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