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Writing in Vedic Sanskrit

Post Author: Hadai Nityananda dasa    Date: 2008-01-06 13:28:28
Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krishna!

Dear Swamiji,

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to the guru parampara. All glories to Sri Sri Nitai Gauranga. All glories to Sri Sri Radha Krishna. All glories to the assembled devotees.

Would you be so nice to make a little animation (or video) in which you write the Names Nityananda and Gauranga in Vedic Sanskrit? I mean I know how it looks like but I do not know how to write it. Also when you create this example could you please make a distinction between the different syllables so we can see how the mantra is constructed?

In regard to this I have three questions.

1) Since the Lord is non-different from His Name can we see the written manifestation of His Name as a Deity, or as a symbol, or both?

2) Let's us say that somebody is not familiar with Lord Nityananda and Lord Gauranga. When he or she sees the Names in Vedic Sanskrit without realizing what it means, is there still any benefit for that person?

3) Is there a difference when the holy Names are written in Vedic Sanskrit or in transliterated (western) letters? In your writing yoga you advise to write in Sanskrit however do the Names not have the same potency in transliteration letters since there is still the non-difference between the Name and the Lord?

Please forgive me when these questions are already somewhere answered.

Your aspiring servant,

Hadai Nityananda dasa

Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krishna!

Post Author: Swami Gaurangapada    Date: 2008-01-06 16:06:36
Would you be so nice to make a little animation (or video) in which you write the Names Nityananda and Gauranga in Vedic Sanskrit? I mean I know how it looks like but I do not know how to write it. Also when you create this example could you please make a distinction between the different syllables so we can see how the mantra is constructed?

Nityaananda! Gauraanga! Hare Krishna! That's a wonderful suggestion. I will do this by the next weekend.

1) Since the Lord is non-different from His Name can we see the written manifestation of His Name as a Deity, or as a symbol, or both?

The form of the Mantra or His Name is verily His Deity Form not just a symbol. The syllables of the Mantra form His Divine Deity...Akshara Vigraha. :)

2) Let's us say that somebody is not familiar with Lord Nityananda and Lord Gauranga. When he or she sees the Names in Vedic Sanskrit without realizing what it means, is there still any benefit for that person?

Yes, certainly. His or her sense of sight is fully purified by even glancing at the written Mantras in Sanskrit even if there is no understanding of the Sanskrit alphabets. It is the beginning of their Bhakti. And then they should hear Them. :)

3) Is there a difference when the holy Names are written in Vedic Sanskrit or in transliterated (western) letters? In your writing yoga you advise to write in Sanskrit however do the Names not have the same potency in transliteration letters since there is still the non-difference between the Name and the Lord?

It is my personal realization that the Sanskrit syllables being the original ones are more powerful than the transliterated ones for Naama Akshara meditation though the transliterated ones are also effective. Since Nityaananda and Gauraanga are small one word Mantras, it should be easy to teach people how each Sanskrit syllable of the Mantrarajas is pronounced and which syllable in the Mantra produces what sound. In this way they can easily meditate on the Mantras in their original Sanskrit form. Thanks.

Daaso'smi, Swami Gaurangapada.

Post Author: Swami Gaurangapada    Date: 2008-01-12 14:05:28
Nityaananda! Gauraanga! Hare Krishna! I am replying here in this topic so that everyone can benefit from this discussion as your questions are quite relevant.

I have a hard time in trying to understand the importance of Sanskrit (or Bengali). To my understanding, the symbols we use to write down a word/sound we hear are just abstract things. Letters, syllables, ideograms or even the phonetic alphabet, are merely a convention between people to represent specific sounds...For instance, I didn't grow up with Sanskrit/Bengali syllables. Looking at words written in Sanskrit/Hindi/Bengali or even Chinese don't make sense to me. I only can pronounce the words 'correctly' if I know the phonetic equivalent. But as long as I do not understand the meaning of the word, it will never make sense to me. I hope I'm clear enough, as this is a difficult topic for me.

Nityaananda! Gauraanga! Hare Krishna! I understand your problem. There is nothing to worry. It is true that the syllables represent a specific sound. So pronouncing the Mantras correctly with devotion is all that is required. In my above reply, I was specifically replying to Hadai's question about a specialized form of Mantra Meditation which involves meditation on the syllables of the Mantra. I was not referring to the normal process of chanting and hearing the Holy Names which does not require to even know the syllables of the Mantra if we are pronouncing Them properly as you have said. But in that specialized form of Mantra Syllable Meditation, one meditates on the syllables along with the sound. Meditation on the transliterated English syllables is fine and absolutely beneficial but even better would be to meditate on the original Sankrit syllables of the Mantras for that kind of Mantra syllable meditation.

So, I can't understand why I would be blessed just by looking at 'sacred words' written in Sanskrit, Bengali or even Pali or Kanji, as I don't know any of these languages...
Therefore also this question, as to why Sanskrit syllables are more powerful than the transliterated ones. I don't understand this. As long as it is pronounced correctly, (the sound vibration is fair), everything should be fine.

The reason for this is that Sanskrit and Bengali are the divine languages spoken by the Lord in the two divine partitions of Vraja and Navadvipa in the eternal spiritual planet Goloka. Thus all other languages and pronunciations have manifested from these two. Shri Chaitanya Mangala describes how the Mantras have been inlaid on the throne of the Lord in the spiritual world. They are certainly in Sanskrit there, not in English or any other language. This makes the Sanskrit syllables of the Mantras also eternal because They are present in their Sanskrit forms in Goloka. As I said earlier, if one is correctly pronouncing the sound of the Mantras, that is perfectly enough. The knowledge of the divine languages of Sanskrit and Bengali in their pristinely pure form is dormant in the svarupa of our soul. Thus there is no harm in additionally trying to memorize the Sanskrit forms of the three small Mantras in their original Sanskrit syllable form in which They exist in the spiirtual world. And if one cannot do that, that does not mean that the Lord will not accept the chanting. Our chanting of the Mantras is accepted by the Lord in proportion to our devotion not just by our knowledge of Sanskrit or Bengali or even our proper pronunciation. One may be pronouncing perfectly but if the mind is wandering, then what is the use?

Please, correct me if I'm wrong. Lord Nityananda was 'born' in Ekachakra in 1474, a region where one spoke Middle Bengali at that time. Their Lordships stayed for a very long time in Navadwip (where at the time Middle Bengali was spoken). The original CB is written by Vrindavan dasa Thakura in Middle Bengali. (And yes, why did he write this in Bengali and not in Sanskrit?) Even the two films on the life of Sri Caitanya are in Bengali... So why is the Sanskrit pronunciation preferred over the Bengali pronunciation anyway? It's almost as if Jesus would speak Latin instead of Aramaic...

When we talk about Mantras, They are always normally found in Sanskrit. This is because the original root of Bengali is also Sanskrit though Lords Nityaananda Gauraanga accepted Bengali and made it the sweetest spiritual language in creation. Lords Nityaananda Gauraanga also were fully knowledgable in Sanskrit. In regards to the scriptures, I personally relish reading them in Bengali as written by our Gaudiya Acharyas, even more than Sanskrit. But for the original Vedic Mantras, They originally manifested in Sanskrit.

With all these language and pronunciation rules, I get this awful feeling that Their Lordships will not understand/accept me at all, unless I speak solid Sanskrit or Middle Bengali. To my feeling, this can't be the case. I don't need to know/read/speak Aramaic just to understand Jesus' message. When I pray in my local dialect, with the correct respect/honest feelings, the Lord will hear and understand me. God's words can not be bound to a specific language. If this would be the case, then there is something terribly wrong...

Yes, I fully agree with you as I have explained above. The Lord accepted the banana skins of Shrila Vidura because He offered with loving devotion. So it is certain that the Lord will accept all our devotional feelings and chanting if we are sincere with devotion even though we may not be big Sanskrit or Bengali scholars. Please let me know if you find the above answers satisfactory at least to some extent. I am always happy to explain more.

Daaso'smi, Swami Gaurangapada.

Post Author: Swami Gaurangapada    Date: 2008-01-17 16:56:33
Nityaananda! Gauraanga! Hare Krishna! To add a little more. The universally spiritual languages of Sanskrit and Bengali in Vaikuntha are not quite fully like those here in this material world. These spiritual languages are most transcendentally and subtly telepathic and not simply like their counterparts in this material world. Actually they cannot be described by words. One can say that they are the original and these are the reflections. But it is a fact these two languages do resemble the spiritual languages in the spiritual world somewhat. That is not a speculation.

There is no need to get frightened because in the knowledge of the siddha svarupa of our soul, which will be gradually revealed to us by chanting, the full knowledge and understanding of these divinely telepathic spiritual languages of Vaikuntha is fully included. This understanding is an integral part of our soul. It is not something external which is to be acquired by us. We need not even have to endeavor to learn these languages in the material world with our material body and brain. Even if we don't know the counterparts of these languages in the material world, the knowledge of this spiritual mode of communication is inherent in our soul and will be revealed to us at the right time. This is the beauty of the chanting of the Holy Names. Thus, chanting will grant all the knowledge of our soul automatically.

Even if we don't know the equivalents of these spiritual languages in this material world, the Lord still hears and accepts our prayers from our soul if we accompany them along with the chanting of His Holy Names which include the complete knowledge of all communication with the Lord.

But it still a fact that they do resemble more the languages of Sanskrit and Bengali as found in this material world, more than the other languages. I hope this helps a little more. Please let me know if you want me to explain more.

Daaso'smi, Swami Gaurangapada.

Post Author: Bhakta Igor    Date: 2008-01-17 17:30:25
'This is the beauty of the chanting of the Holy Names. Thus, chanting will grant all the knowledge of our soul automatically.'

Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krsna
Dearest Gurudeva, this is sum of all philosophy and knowledge, sum of all yogic endeavors and all attempts. Chanting of Nitaai and Gaura Naam is path, goal and our only hope. It is self revealing and can be understand only by chanting! You explained it beautifully! Sum and substance of all vedic knowledge is within this statement! What is use of any other talk or vast speculations, grammar or philosophical considerations! We may be imperfect, fallen, most wrecked or we may think that we have some good qualities, but all that is not important! Let us always taste nectar of Nitaai Naam and eternally dance in happiness! dhana mora Nityananda radha krsna sri carana sei mora abharana! Who needs any dry philosophy, speculation or sense enjoyment? Let us dive into ocean of Nitaai Naam - embodiment of all knowledge of past, present and future! That is all what is important! Om tat sat
Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krsna

Post Author: Bhakta Igor    Date: 2008-01-17 17:50:02
O friend,
Please listen to my words.
All secrets are within Nitaai Naam!

Please abandon
Your endless, fruitless endeavors
For enjoyment within this material world!
You can only be eternally happy
if you drink Nitaai Naam!

Please consider my words!
Take this cure and dance with tears in your eyes!
Lord Nityananda is your only wealth!
What is use of heavenly pleasures or hellish liberation!
Please abandon all such crazy desires
And fill your lips with Nitaai Naam!

O friend,
Please listen to my words.
All secrets are within Nitaai Naam!

Post Author: JagannathaGaurangadasa    Date: 2008-01-17 18:49:14
Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krishna!

Yes and we should loudly sing the holy names of Nityananda and Gauranga. I personally have found that if I go for a while without singing Nitai-Gaura kirtana because of lack of time, then my mind becomes very hard to detach from sense objects, but once I start singing at least a 20-30 minutes a day, my mind automatically becomes detached and all my mental pains seem to vanish. I also notice that singing the full names of Nityananda and Gauranga alongwith the Maha mantra are much more effective than singing the Hare Krishna maha mantra alone, much more effective actually, especially if singing alongwith one of Swami Gaurangapada's files. My favorite being the begginning of the Intelligence of Devotees file because it's very simple to sing with.

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