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Why no Institutional Affiliation

Post Author: Swami Gaurangapada    Date: 2006-01-14 06:54:29
Title: Why no Institutional Affiliation
User: Swami Gaurangapada    Date: 2007-07-22 11:57:03


Why did you prefer not to officially serve with an existing Gaudiya Vaishnava institution?
                 

Answer by Swami Gaurangapada:

Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krishna! NITAAI.com Sangha is not officially affiliated with any institutions of other Vinoda Sarasvata Bhaktivedanta Parampara Gurus but I personally greatly appreciate and respect their wonderful services and I gratefully thank all devotees in all institutions who have helped me previously in my devotional path. I humbly request them and all other devotees not to criticize or minimize the sublime daily chanting of the most maganimous Holy Names of Nityananda and Gauranga along with the the Hare Krishna Mahamantra even if they do not want to perform it themselves. Our beloved Shrila Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada is my primary and eternal Shiksha Guru because I read, distributed and published his Vani for many years. I am ready to join hands with any Gaudiya Vaishnava institution but unfortunately I have not found any institution yet which is at least open to even theoretically accept the process of Nityananda Gauranga Naam Bhajana along with the Hare Krishna Mahamantra Bhajana. As of writing this reply, I personally know of only three  Sannyasis who are positively neutral if not exactly favorable to the chanting of the Nityananda and Gauranga Mantrarajas along with the Hare Krishna Mahamantra and I am good friends with all three of them. It causes me pain to find someone who is critical or who minimizes or rejects the munificent Nityananda Gauranga Naam Bhajana in any way so I humbly prefer to create my own association of favorable devotees who understand the glories of the Nityananda and Gauranga Mantrarajas and the Hare Krishna Mahamantra and who are kindly coming by the causeless mercy and inspiration of Lord Nityananda Prabhu to assist me in this humble endeavor. I could have become famous as a preacher among Hare Krishna devotees without being able to preach Nityananda Gauranga Naam. Instead, I willingly and humbly want to choose the association of devotees who accept the most merciful Nityananda Gauranga Naam Tattva as revealed by the Acharyas in the Nityananda Gauranga Naam book along with the supreme glories of the Hare Krishna Mahamantra in Kali Yuga. I do not mind if we remain a small group of devotees but I greatly prefer the association of devotees who have faith both in Nityananda Gauranga Naam Bhajana and Hare Krishna Naam Bhajana rather than only one which I also respect.

There are many reasons for this. First was the order of my Shrila Gurudeva to preach Nityananda Gauranga Naam along with the Hare Krishna Mahamantra and the order of my Gurudeva to give Naam to others which was may not have been possible within any institution since it may not be able to permit it due to it's internal beaureaucratic system since it may not accept or find it difficult to accept Gurus and Disciples outside that institution. I hold the order and authority my Shrila Gurudeva higher than any institutional norms. Also the criticism of the process of chanting Nityananda Gauranga Naam by some devotees was very painful for me. Second was my total unwillingness to hear any sectarian or other Vaishnava Aparadha about any devotees in any groups in an institutional situation. Thirdly was my intense desire to peacefully reside in Jagannatha Puri Dhaam after I read Shri Chaitanya Charitamrita many times. Fourth was my desire not to see faults in other devotees even though they may have shortcomings. For my Naam Bhajana, my personal choice of association is sarala and sincere devotees who have faith in regular chanting of Nityananda Gauranga Naam though I greatly respect all other devotees. Fifth was my intense desire to widely spread the Holy Names of Nityananda and Gauranga in japa and kirtana both along with the Hare Krishna mahamantra on the order of my Shrila Gurudeva which may not have been possible to practically permit due to the internal rules and traditions of different institutions which I respect. Sixth were the philosophical deviations by some which could not be corrected. Seventh was a lack of timely action many times in administering of practical justice to devotees.

Eighth was the way I was personally treated by one sannyasi inspite of my sincere, unmotivated and dedicated service for many years and he was not stopped. I am thankful for it because it made me very humble but I would never like to do that to anyone in my life. It tested my limits of tolerance and it will be a permanent rememberance in my life. Ninth was the confirmed order of Lord Baladeva Nitaai about it when a garland fell from His neck during the Ratha Yatra when I was asking Him about taking sannyasa and preaching Nityananda Gauranga Naam and the pujari miraculously gave it to me in front of hundreds of devotees. Tenth was the order of my Shrila Gurudeva to accept the renounced order to which I was attracted to from the very beginning but which may not have been possible in the institutions for many many years because of their procedures and regulations based on age etc. (Jaiva Dharma says sannyasa does not depend on age). Eleventh was my internal relationship with Shrila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura Prabhupada from previous lives which inspired me day and night to accept shelter at the lotus feet of his direct disciple. Twelveth was my desire to meditatively chant 100,000 Holy Names daily which may be practically difficult to perform in highly preaching oriented situations. Thirteenth was the fall down of some devotees especially how some of them suddenly gave up Bhakti altogether or deviated from the basic fundamental principles of Bhakti. Fourteenth was my desire to remain away from any sectarian conceptions and a lack of respect and affection for devotees from other branches or institutions of our Vinoda Sarasvata Parampara. Fifthteenth was my desire to spread Naam by writing prolifically in a peaceful place..the list goes on and on...(I will add to this later if possible)...Though I have no unfavorable feelings towards any devotees and I greatly respect and highly appreciate the services of all Vinoda Sarasvata Bhaktivedanta Gaudiya Vaishnavas, I preferred to peacefully do my own bhajana and prachara rather than deal with the 15 and many more similar situations like described above. Thanks and I hope this helps.

Daaso'smi, Swami Gaurangapada.

Title: Re: Transformation
User: Nava Gauranga dasa    Date: 2007-07-22 14:58:44

Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krsna!
All glories to the Guruprampara!
Jaya Sri Sri Guru and Gauranga!

Dear Gurudeva Gaurangapada,
please accept my humble obiesances.

I have just read your response to why no institution question. I wish to share a quick testimony of faith growth. Really following you and your spiritual choices as mentioned in your response has very much been the greatest blessing for my spiritual life. It has opened my heart in many ways. It is profound actually, I feel in my heart that I was guided to you as a like soul - and specifically attachment to Nityananda Gauranga Naam. I wish I could express greater than words, how profoundly beneficial your choices have been for this simple disciple (Nava).

I feel for the pain you must have felt upon some devotees not understanding your service choice to Guruparampara. And your noble character to never speak ill of no soul. It is these such qualities that has been the greatest blessing for my spiritual growth. Almost as if these qualities you have developed within, are assisting fallen souls like myself who are still full of anartha to jivas. I cannot express this point clearly enough....this quality is the greatest blessing for my spiritual life, and this has promoted the most growth in my heart since meeting you in 2004. I think of this often Maharaja.

What to say of chanting Nityananda-Gauranga Naam on beads. Day by day my love for them intensifies gradually, because of this process, and this is proof enough of Srila Prabhupada's, Sri Srila Prabhupada's, and Srila Bhaktivinoda's mercy and blessing. My hope and prayer is devotees who are searching can grow through their phase of questions and doubts, and taste the same sprouting of faith which has occurred gradually for me, over the last 12 months.

I am sure simple hearted, like souls, will find your shelter and realize the treasure of your sincerity and kindness. Meeting young Matus in his beginning faith, staunch young men like Bhushan, and great souls like Nitaipada, is the greatest treasure.

And my devotee friend deeply honors you, and always asks of your well-being, from her heart. She does not know you, but knows and sees the transformation I have undertaken to a somewhat simple devotee with sincerity. You see this is a gift really, to realize that not all Gaudiya's will agree with my attachment to Gaura-Nitai, and to still offer them respect. This appeals to my internal mood of difference in oneness, and enhances my internal mood greatly. Ofcourse when I leave this body Maharaja I wish to be with our Lord's Gaura-Nitai and to serve you as you serve them. I long so much to see them face to face, to pierce Their glowing effulgence and enter Their abode.

Thank you for your openess in writing the response to the question presented to you once again. All sincere devotees, who are freed from misconceptions will greatly respect your words.

your servant,
Nava Gauranga dasa.

Title: Re: Nityananda Gauranga Ministries
User: Nitaipada Maharaja    Date: 2007-07-22 17:41:02

Nityananda!  Gauranga!  Hare Krishna!  All glories to Srila Bhaktivinoda, Srila Prabhupada, my most beloved Srila Gaurangapada and all Vaisnavas.  Please accept my humble obeisances and blessings.  I pray that this meets you well and in the service/mercy of Sri Guru and Sri Gauranga.

My Dearest Srila Gaurangapada;

I offer my humble obeisances millions upon millions of time to your lotus feet.  Thank you for this wonderful post and you explanation of why Gauranga Dharma is non-secretarian.

There are so many wonderful devotees of the Lord who have been injured and mistreated by the Institutional philosophies over the years.  So many have left devotional service or choosen not to associate with the Lord's devotees because of these injuries to their spirit-souls.  I am so thankful that you have given all the Lord's devotees a safe place to simply worship Them and perform their sadhana in safety and quietness as is required and recommended by our great Acharyas.

In my simple ministry that you have so graciously given to me, I have found that many sincere souls are coming to the lotus feet of Their Lordships and taking up the Mantra-rajas whole-heartedly.  In my humble opinion, the Lord is speaking directly to their hearts and leading them to your lotus feet because what you are preaching and directing us to preach is direct truth and the Lord's desire for this present time.  Many are approaching seeking initiation into the Mantra-rajas and asking very serious questions concerning the Mantra-rajas.  Thank you for engaging me in your service!

I sit here quietly witnessing the wonderful ministries that your disciples are putting together.  Wonderful and beautiful web-sites are going up all over the web.  Preaching centers are being established all over the world!  This is the beautiful example that is coming to fruitation of the foundation you laid so many years ago.  I am humbled that I have been not only a part of this ministry, but also been priviledged to witness its growth from just a hand-ful of devotees eager to see your vision become reality.

While I do not know how many god-brothers and sisters I have in my family, nor how many grand-disciples that you have outside of my own that you have given me priviledge to lead, I see that your vision is manifesting throughout this world with little effort on our part.  I have never had to go out and beat the bushes for individuals to hear this wonderful story of Sri Sri Nitai-Gaurahari, but simply open the door and they come walking in.

Thank you for providing the simplicity, truth and opportunity to assist you in the spreading of the Mantra-rajas in this material world and for being able to serve at your lotus feet.

Your eternal servant;
Nitaipada   

Title: Re: Why no Institutional Affiliation
User: Damodara Svarupa dasa    Date: 2007-07-26 14:56:02

Nityananda, Gauranga, Hare Krishna!
Jaya Guru Parampara! Jaya Swamiji Gaurangapada!
Dandavats to all the Vaishnavas.

Only at Nitaai, I get the same, nice feeling of coming back home after a long and tiresome journey.   I've seen a few institutions at work, listened to several priests, monks and Swamis alike, but in some or another way, it always gave me a nasty aftertaste.  On the other hand, the teachings from Swamiji Gaurangapada always taste for more. I just can't get enough of the lectures on   Sri Caitanya bhagavata, Bhagavat Saptaha and the recent lecture on  Jaganath Puri, to name only a few.  In a recent movie, where Swamiji described the life of his Gurudev Shrila Bhaktishastri Parampada Dasa Maharaja, I was so moved by this most humble Soul. On the pictures, one can see the joy and bliss in Maharaja's eyes when Swamiji is taking initiation. And it has struck me that this same kindness, joy and happiness can be seen in Swamiji
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This teaching by example is what attracts me the most. It is not about raising funds for building/buying various things, nor about 'selling techniques' or doing 'devotional chores' either. No dry speculations, not simply reading aloud what's in the books, no institutional rules which make one pine away... According to my simple opinion, with Swamiji, it's all about getting involved into the true spiritual nectar and experiencing the real bliss of chanting the mantra rajas, just like Sri Gauranga Mahaprabhu recommended us and Srila Haridasa taught us by example.  It's about the compassion and mercy from our Gurudev towards all his disciples and all living beings. God is calling upon all of us, yet the idea of being confronted with God makes me somehow tremble. But with Swamiji leading in front, I'm not alone anymore.  He's kindly guiding us, bringing us before God and praying that the Lord will mercifully glance upon us. Words fail me to describe this generous kindness...   Although I'm far from being the exemplary devotee, Swamiji does care about my spiritual well-being.  I guess I'm probably the most difficult and ignorant devotee He's ever met, but still He cares so much!  And for all of this, I respect Him wholeheartedly. Jaya Swamiji Gaurangapada!

Praying Swamiji Gaurangapada and Their Lordships for a single drop of Their Mercy, I offer this posting at Their Lotus Feet,
Damodara Svarupa dasa  

Title: Re: Why no Institutional Affiliation
User: Matus    Date: 2007-08-20 16:30:30

Dear Swami Gaurangapada Gurudeva,
Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krishna! Thank You very much for sharing with us more intimately this matters. Even though it is absolutely not of the primary importance for me, i feel more satisfied to hear it from You, as in our present worldwide vaishnava society very easily and unfortunately without considering the consequences different types of rumours are being spread nearly about every vaishnava leader... Although one consciously tries to avoid contact with such rumours, it is not always possible.

i would like to kindly ask You to explain to me more the meaning of the following statement of Yours:

Fourth was my desire to associate only with sarala and advanced devotees in Naam Bhajana because I do not want to see faults in others.
 

Thank You very much.

Yours sincerely,

Matus

Title: Re: Why no Institutional Affiliation
User: Anonymous    Date: 2007-08-21 02:42:21

Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krishna!

Please accept my most humble obeisances at your lotus feet Swami Gaurangapada. This is one of the most powerful and meaningful threads I have seen, and as I read each word, tears flowed from my eyes silently, and I understood. The words expressed here, by each of you are felt by me, personally, and I am honored to be blessed among this wondeful family, with the GIFT of your association, shelter, and the Holy Naam Nityananda Gauranga and Hare Krishna Mahamantra. I have no other flowery words to offer here, it was all said, and I Thank You from the very core of my being.

Your ever devoted Spiritual Grand-daughter,
Lakshmi Priya devi dasi

Title: Re: Advanced Association
User: Swami Gaurangapada    Date: 2007-08-21 07:56:12


Fourth was my desire to associate only with sarala and advanced devotees in Naam Bhajana because I do not want to see faults in others.
  

Shrila Rupa Goswami recommends that devotees who are madhyama adhikaries or aspiring to be one, should associate, serve and learn from devotees equal or more advanced than us in spiritual realization and try to uplift those who are lesser in spiritual advancement than them. Associating with more advanced souls (sva-varishta) who have the same spiritual mood (sva-jatiya) means one always has an ideal in front of us to follow.   

One must to be careful in trying to uplift the souls who are less spiritually advanced than us because one may see faults or other unwanted things in their character. One should not end up thinking of them critically even mentally or get affected by their shortcomings or philosophical misunderstandings. That is why higher association is always required to help and inspire us to continue uplifting the new devotees.   

I am grateful to all devotees who have so nicely contributed to this topic with devotional realizations.   

One not so good news is that I had typed a elaborate and quite informative reply to this topic which was even bigger than the original post in this topic but it was lost due to computer restart. I could not write it again.    

Daaso'smi, Swami Gaurangapada.

Title: Re: Institutional Affiliation Further Explained
User: Anonymous    Date: 2007-08-23 02:40:26

"First was the order of my Shrila Gurudeva to preach Nityananda Gauranga Naam along with the Hare Krishna Mahamantra and the order of my Gurudeva to give Naam to others which was not possible within an institution since it may not be able to permit it due to it's internal beaureaucratic system. I hold the order and authority my Shrila Gurudeva higher than any institutional norms".


small note on this quote: I am affiliated with the "institution" known as Iskcon

though I prefer to see it as a family in the same way Srila Prabhupada did.

We are having great success spreading Nityananda and Gouranga nama alongside Hare krishna Maha Mantra. institutinal norms are that we are primarily giving fallen souls on the street the names of Gouranga Nityananda first and then they are encouraged to chant Hare Krishna.

"give Naam to others which was not possible within an institution"


This is common practise in Iskcon temples globally especially in europe and soviet countries where people more readily accept Gouranga Nitai nama due to the offenceless nature of the Names.

Perhaps this quote is relevant to a few Iskcon temples ( I take it that is who you refer to as your biography reveals to us you were previousley associated within iskcon) depending on the mood of the devotees who run that areas preaching drive. it may often be that Radha Krishna is more easily accepted in one place than Gaura Nitai by the masses. and another place, Gaura Nitai are more easily accepted than Radha Krishna.

my experience within Iskcon is that Gaura Nitai preaching is firmly accepted from the last 22 years within the Uk. One need only go on book distribution here to see how many members of the public have already chanted Nityanandas and Gourangas names.


In this regard the above quote does not hold Absoloute regarding Vaisnava institutional norms especially regarding Iskcon.



Your servant


Giri Dhari Das

Title: Re: Institutional Affiliation Further Explained
User: Swami Gaurangapada    Date: 2007-08-23 04:03:04


small note on this quote: I am affiliated with the "institution" known as Iskcon. though I prefer to see it as a family in the same way Srila Prabhupada did.


That is wonderful Giridhari dasa prabhu. Thanks for sharing with us and giving us your association.


We are having great success spreading Nityananda and Gouranga nama alongside Hare krishna Maha Mantra. institutinal norms are that we are primarily giving fallen souls on the street the names of Gouranga Nityananda first and then they are encouraged to chant Hare Krishna.


That is wonderful and great service to conditional souls. To give them the confidential treasure of Nityananda Gauranga Naam means to give them the key to success in the offenseless chanting of the Hare Krishna Mahamantra.


This is common practise in Iskcon temples globally especially in europe and soviet countries where people more readily accept Gouranga Nitai nama due to the offenceless nature of the Names.


I greatly appreciate if that has been the mood of preaching in European countries. More than a year back, I had posted a message of congratulations to all temples and organizations who are spreading Nityananda Gauranga Naam along with the Hare Krishna Mahamantra. If you read carefully my orginal post which you have quoted, I have used the words "may not be able to permit it due to it's internal beaureaucratic system" and not "is not be able to permit it due to it's internal beaureaucratic system". thus I have not passed any categorical or generalized judgement on any Vaishnava or institution nor do I desire to ever do so because I greatly respect and honor the services of all devotees in all institutions even if they are not spreading Nityananda Gauranga Naam along with Hare Krishna Mahamantra. I am sure they are teaching others at least the Pancha Tattva Mantra and that is very welcome and appreciated.

But I would also like to inform you that when I started preaching Nityananda Gauranga Naam along with Hare Krishna Mahamantra, there was heavy criticism from some of the leading devotees of your institution where they labelled the chanting of Nityananda Gauranga Naam as a severe concoction, deviation and I was attacked very strongly on a personal level also. They were especially critical about the daily japa of Nityananda Gauranga Naam. And no one from the leaders actually came forward to support or even be neutral to the japa chanting of Nityananda Gauranga even though those messages to me were on a conference and would have been read by most of the leaders. They felt that I was trying to spread Nityananda Gauranga Naam to acquire some cheap and quick name and fame. It may be that many of them still feel the same about me and I respect their opinions about this even though I may not agree about them because it gives me a chance to become humble and cry for the mercy and shelter of Lord Nitaai and my Gurudevas. I have never ever compromised or replaced the chanting the Hare Krishna Mahamantra or the teachings of Shrila Prabhupada. In fact I wrote the book Mahamantra Yoga to establish the paramount importance of chanting the Hare Krishna Mahamantra in multiples of 64 rounds.

I have always accepted and still accept their chastisement with gratefulness and thankfulness as the causeless mercy of Lord Nitaai upon me because they are all devotees who are serving Shrila Prabhupada. I profusely thank them even now for their chastisement which gave me a golden opportunity to become humble so that I could approach the chanting and preaching of the Holy Names in the right consciousness. But it was clear to me after this that I had to chant and spread Nityananda Gauranga Naam along with the Hare Krishna Mahamantra alone according to the instructions of my Gurudeva and my understanding and realizations of the writings and instructions of my Shiksha Gurudeva Shrila Prabhupada,  Parama Gurudeva Shrila Bhaktisiddhanta Prabhupada and my most prominent Shiksha Gurudeva Shrila Bhaktivinoda Thakura.


Perhaps this quote is relevant to a few Iskcon temples depending on the mood of the devotees who run that areas preaching drive. it may often be that Radha Krishna is more easily accepted in one place than Gaura Nitai by the masses. and another place, Gaura Nitai are more easily accepted than Radha Krishna. my experience within Iskcon is that Gaura Nitai preaching is firmly accepted from the last 22 years within the Uk. One need only go on book  distribution here to see how many members of the public have already chanted Nityanandas and Gourangas names. In this regard the above quote does not hold Absoloute regarding Vaisnava institutional norms especially regarding Iskcon.
   

I know it may be subjective to different locations and different leaders even in an institution. But what I was talking is of the general policy of an institution. Every Vaishnava institution have their standards based on their understanding and implementation of the instructions of their own Acharyas. They would not be able to easily change that. And I full respect and honor that. I have no complaints regarding any Sarasvata Vaishnava institution. I appreciate and highly regard their wonderful preaching efforts and services.

Only that I myself wanted to spread Nityananda Gauranga Naam in a more official and tangible manner. Giving or singing Nityananda Gauranga Naam in the streets and enabling everyone to hear and occasionally chant Nityananda Gauranga Naam is certainly a very wonderful service because Shrila Bhaktivinoda Thakura states that the chanting Nityananda Gauranga Naam just once will destroy all the unlimited sins accumulated from unlimited lives. But I personally wanted to practically implement the teachings of my Shrila Gurudeva and my Shiksha Gurudeva Shrila Prabhupada who wrote in Shri Chaitanya Charitamrita about chanting Nityananda Gauranga Naam very regularly before approaching Shri Shri Radha Krishna Holy Names, Abodes and Pastimes. Very regularly, according to my understanding and realization, can only be implemented via the daily japa of the bonafide Nityananda and Gauranga Mantrajas on Tulasi beads along with the japa of Hare Krishna Mahamantra.

And it may be that most leaders in your institution or for that matter any other Sarasvata Gaudiya institution may not accept or be able to implement this daily japa chanting of the Nityananda Gauranga Mantrarajas on beads along with the daily japa of the Hare Krishna Mahamantra. I think you are talking about the chanting of Nityananda Gauranga Naam on the streets in Sankirtana etc. which I think is also very wonderful and nobody will object to it but I was also talking about the daily japa chanting of Nityananda Gauranga Naam along with the japa of the Hare Krishna Mahamantra which may not be accepted by many in your or other Sarasvata Gaudiya Vaishnava institutions. I have no problems with this and I only humbly request those who cannot accept it to be at least neutral to it. But this is the reason why I decided to spread the japa and chanting of Nityananda Gauranga Naam along with the Hare Krishna Mahamantra in my own humble way without direct affiliation to any institution. It is my humble service to my beloved Acharyas and their instructions and ultimately to Lord Nityaananda Raama.  I hope you can now appreciate my decision a little bit more now. Thanks for your question. And above all, never stop your wonderful service of spreading Nityananda Gauranga Naam along with the Hare Krishna Mahamantra! All Glories to your service! Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krishna!   

Daaso'smi, Swami Gaurangapada.

Title: Re: Gaura Naam Vinaa
User: Nava Gauranga dasa    Date: 2007-08-25 00:48:18

Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krsna!

Dear Swami Gaurangapada and Giri Dhari Das, thank you for opening this discussion in relation to spreading the glories of Nityananda-Gauranga Naam. My approach to such concerns is very simple, please allow me to share. As per the words of the Seventh Goswami Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura, in his Navadwipa Dham Mahatmya :


kali-jivera aparaadha asankhya durvaara

gaura-naama vinaa taara naahika uddhaara..55

"The offenses and sins of the souls of Kali Yuga are unlimited and absolutely impossible to overcome. Thus, there is no other means of deliverance in Kali Yuga other than the exceptionally merciful Holy Name of Lord Gauranga."



ataeva gaura vinaa kalite upaaya

naa dekhi kothaa o aara shaastra phukaaraya..56

"Thus, it a firmly established and repeatedly stressed truth in all the Vedic scriptures that there is no other means of extrication from the cycle of birth and death other than the Holy Names, Pastimes, Abodes and Associates of Lord Gauranga."


So as per the Gaudiya Vaisnava tradition extending from Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura, the spreading of the glories of Gauranga Mahaprabhu is the only sure hope for the suffering souls in Kali-Yuga. There is no means of deliverance from the multitudes of offences in the heart, except by the unlimited mercy of Sri Sri Nitaai-Gauranga!

This spreading of Nitai-Gaura Naam, in the ever increasing and degrading atmosphere of Kali-yuga, must be the highest priority in our mission of mercy. Think about it logically: if the degrading influence of Kali-Yuga is increasing consistently day by day (as can be seen through observation with discernment), surely then there must be an ever growing extension of mercy.

If God is all-merciful, surely he will make a way to extend greater depths of mercy as Kali-Yuga's degrading influence increases. So, what is of utmost importance is that we stand united together as followers of Mahaprabhu, and become living vessels of His mercy. If the Lord in His full diversity directs and guides us in unique ways and means to inject this Gaura Tattva into the suffering world, we must respond appropriately.

So even if there is difference in application in ways and means in spreading the Holy Names of Nitaai-Gauranga, we must work in harmony together. That will be the greatest extension of mercy to a suffering world. And by faithfully following these implementations we will also be cleansed of the multitude of offences that have or do reside in our own hearts.

Dear Giri Dhari Prabhu, thank you so much for spreading the glories of Gauranga Naam Tattva throughout the continent of Europe. Please pray for me that in some small way I may be able to spread the glories of my most merciful Lordships (Nitaai-Gauranga) here in Australia.

If we can see with higher vision, then we stand in Unity of Purpose. Mercy! In full diversity we are praying to be vessels of mercy, and our only hope for this prayer to be fulfilled is infact 'Gaura-Naam Tattva', and the desire and grace of Srila Bhaktivinoda Thakura also.


Shrila Prabhupada in SB 1.5.16 purport:

"The expert devotees also can discover novel ways and means to convert the nondevotees in terms of particular time and circumstance. Devotional service is dynamic activity, and the expert devotees can find out competent means to inject it into the dull brains of the materialistic population. Such transcendental activities of the devotees for the service of the Lord can bring a new order of life to the foolish society of materialistic men."



Shrila Prabhupada inCc Adi 7.31-32 purport:

"Here is an important point. Lord Chaitanya Mahaprabhu wanted to invent a way to capture the Mayavadis and others who did not take interest in the Krishna consciousness movement. This is the symptom of an acarya. An acarya who comes for the service of the Lord cannot be expected to conform to a stereotype, for he must find the ways and means by which Krishna consciousness may be spread."



Commentary by Swami Gaurangapada:

Shrila Bhaktisiddhanta Prabhupada introduced the system of Gayatri-Mantra-Diksha (Brahmana Diksha) for the first time in our sampradaya even though he had not received it from his own guru. This was for the specific purpose of stopping the Vaishnava-aparadha committed by the brahmanas in thinking themselves superior to the Vaishnavas. Similarly we have introduced this system of Gauranga-Mantra-Diksha (Gauranama Diksha) as the entrance to Gauranga Dharma and Gauranga Bhakti Yoga, by the inspiration and order of all the acharyas and Lord Nityananda in order to stop and totally destroy all the ten nama-aparadhas (offenses) of the devotees and disciples and to make them rapidly achieve pure love for Krishna and qualification to chant the pure Hare Krishna Mahamantra. Thus it is the right of every Guru to choose particular authorized Mantras for the disciples' rapid spiritual advancement and the people who criticize this are simply engaging in Vaishnava-ninda of the devotees who are trying to spread the most merciful Names of the Lord: Nityananda and Gauranga. Ofcourse everyone can decide for oneself whether to chant the Nityananda and Gauranga Mantrarajas or not and can remain neutral if they do not want to chant personally but the act of criticizing and minimizing those who are genuinely chanting or preaching the glories of the Nityananda and Gauranga Mantrarajas in addition to the Hare Krishna Mahamantra will spell spiritual doom for the unfortunate person who engages in such a supremely inauspicious activity.



One should try to understand Shrila Prabhupada's above quotes where he states that an expert devotee cannot be forced to simply stick to a stereotype but his prime duty is to find out or invent or discover and introduce novel ways and means from the scriptures to widely inject and spread Gauranga and Krishna consciousness into the bloodstream of the suffering human society so that millions can take it up and rapidly progress in spiritual life.
  

                                                                aspiring for simple service....Nava Gauranga dasa.

Title: Re: Institutional Management
User: Anonymous    Date: 2007-08-26 13:33:43

Jaya Dandavat pranaams, all glories to the Names and the devotees who chant them!!

One devotee complained to Srila Prabhupada that he was not getting good enough association within Iskcon and Srila Prabhupada  told him, "that association you are looking for, you become that association"


It is also noteworthy that Srila Prabhupada is the one who registered Iskcon, set the whole thing up and went through so many headaches managing it when he could very easily of just concentrated on translating the Bhagavatam. we must then consider, if the institution is so bad why did Srila Prabhupada continue to establish it, even when deviations were happening at that time? because his spiritual master wanted it.

Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaja also set up an institution and his instructions were clear, to set up a GBC. sadly only one of his followers established that GBC. Srila Prabhupada.

Please see this account from H.H Niranjana swami.

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Lastly I read a few negative comments above regarding the levels of advancement of devotees, let us consider that the head of our entire Sampradaya Lord Brahma chased after his own daughter for sexual intersourse. This material world is full of faults and Srila Prabhupada writes we should expect a eutopia here. Rather if we work together in a spirit of co opeartion then Prabhupada said that is how we will show our love for him.


your insignificant servant

Gopal Guru dasa

Title: Re: Pancha Tattva Mantra rounds
User: Anonymous    Date: 2007-08-26 13:59:09

Dear swami Gauranga pada and all devotees. Please accept my respectful obeisances! All glories to Srila Prabhupada!

regarding Ghiri Dhari dasas comment, I agree that the chanting of Lord Gauraangas and Nityanandas names is quite widely accepted throughout Iskcon.


Regarding on beads......


I was very fortunate to attend His Holiness Tamal Krishna Maharajas final class in Mayapur in 2003 the day before he left his body at the spot where Haridasa thakur chanted his rounds.

In that last class of his he instructed all his disciples there to chant rounds of the Pancha Tattva maha mantra on their beads after they had finished the prescribed minimum 16 rounds of Hare Krishna Maha Mantra. The reasons all quoted from sastra as to the neccessity of getting the mercy of Lord Caitanya and Lord Nityananda in order to chant Hare Krishna.


your servant

Gouranga dasa

Title: Re: NG Naam is not a question of majority
User: Swami Gaurangapada    Date: 2007-08-26 15:13:42


regarding Ghiri Dhari dasas comment, I agree that the chanting of Lord Gauraangas and Nityanandas names is quite widely accepted throughout Iskcon.
 

Unfortunately my experience has been the opposite especially for the daily chanting of a fixed number of Nityananda Gauranga Naam along with the minimum 16 rounds of the Hare Krishna Mahamantra. Though I may be wrong. And I wish I am wrong on this. I hope and pray that Nityananda Gauranga Naam is accepted by all our Gaudiya Vaishnavas one day. I have heard of the wonderful preaching of Gauraanga Naam in Scotland and in nearby areas and I heartily offer my pranams to all the glorious devotees for spreading Gauranga Naam. Also for a big society of devotees, one should never pass judgements on all as it will be a big offense towards the devotees. I have always instructed and taught my disciples and student devotees to respect all the sincere devotees in this world and appreciate their services and never be like a mosquito meditating on the faults of others.

If any devotee in any institution or not in any institution is chanting and preaching Nityananda Gauranga Naam along with Hari Naam, we consider it very wonderful and we greatly appreciate it. And if a Gaudiya devotee is not chanting and preaching Nityananda Gauranga Naam along with Hari Naam, we fully respect them too because they must be chanting the Pancha Tattva Mantra. But we will not associate with anyone who goes out to minimize or belittle the glories of chanting Nityananda Gauranga Naam along with Hare Krishna Mahamantra.

Here at NITAAI.com Sangha, we are not interested in sectarian discussions about which specific institutions support or don't support Nityananda Gauranga Naam and also we are not interested in institutional canvassing like why one should be a part of one institution and not outside the institution etc. Nor was this my intention when I started this topic. It was more of a personal thread about why I accepted Sannyasa. It was not a complaint topic about any institution because we never desire to discuss this. We are only interested in Nitaai Gaura Krishna Katha. Those devotees and insitutions which support and spread Nityananda Gauranga Naam along with the Hare Krishna Mahamantra even in a small way are always glorious in our estimation. Full stop.

I never thought this topic would end up in some kind of institutional bashing. We have never and we will never minimize the wonderful services of all sincere devotees and institutions in the bonafide Sarasvata Vinoda Bhaktivedanata dhara and we respect them greatly. But one has the humble right to express one's personal realizations. This institutional thing has already been addressed in our essay on Sectarianism in Spiritual Life with the quotes from the Acharyas.

We believe that it is not scripturally proper to restrict and label any soul as traitor who accepts Shiksha from the teachings of Shrila Prabhupada but may not be physically in the Iskcon institution. Is it restricted for a soul to read Shrila Prabhupada's books or start chanting as per Shrila Prabhupada's instructions until he or she officially becomes a member of Iskcon? No, it is never. The Vani of the Acharya is self-effulgent and it can deliver any soul from the darkness of ignorance irrespective of whether the soul is affiliated to any institution or not. This is power of Vani. It is much more powerful than any institution and institutions are formed simply to broadcast this Vani. We firmly believe that a soul can attain Prema simply of the strength of surrendering to the Vani of the Acharyas even though the soul may not be a part of any institution. Shrila Bhaktivinoda Thakura was a Prema Bhakta even though he did not belong to any institution. All Acharyas including Shrila Prabhupada are well aware of this fact. That is why Shrila Prabhupada explained in Nectar of Devotion that there are many bonafide Vaishnava societies, groups and institutions which are subbranches of the Gauranga tree and one can make rapid spiritual advancement by associating with them. In fact one should be happy that devotees from many other groups, institutions etc. may be reading and practicing Shrila Prabhupada's books and instructions. That is how Shrila Prabhupada's glories are spread more and more.

Nityananda Gauranga Naam is not a question of majority. It is not that it becomes authorized only when it is accepted by a big and popular institution. Gauranga Mantraraja was authorized when the Mantra emanated from the lotus mouth of Shrila Shivananda Sena and Nityananda Mantraraja was authorized when the Mantra was glorified by Shrila Madhavendra Puri, Shrila Vrindavana Dasa Thakura and Shrila Krishnadasa Kaviraja Goswami.

I will not be approving any more posts in this topic if they are related only to these kind of institutional discussions as this is not the purpose of our NITAAI.us Community. I personally vote for Nava Gauranga dasa's post in this topic as the best. Let us discuss pure Nitaai Gaura Krishna Naam, Lilaa, Kathaa and satisfy our souls.

Daaso'smi, Swami Gaurangapada.

Title: Re: Svarupa Siddha Bhakti
User: Swami Gaurangapada    Date: 2007-08-26 16:06:05


Jaya Dandavat pranaams, all glories to the Names and the devotees who chant them!!


Thanks Gopala Guru dasa prabhu, that's a wonderful non-sectarian statement. You have a wonderful spiritual name. I remember and offer dandavats to Shrila Gopala Guru Goswami everytime I enter into Gambhira Dhaam.


One devotee complained to Srila Prabhupada that he was not getting good enough association within Iskcon and Srila Prabhupada  told him, "that association you are looking for, you become that association"


That is wonderful and one should always try to do so. But Shrila Prabhupada himself did not try to become association in the Gaudiya Math but he went out gave his divine association to those souls who would never have otherwise attained it. So that is also a possibility for some souls.


It is also noteworthy that Srila Prabhupada is the one who registered Iskcon, set the whole thing up and went through so many headaches managing it when he could very easily of just concentrated on translating the Bhagavatam.


Yes. But Shrila Prabhupada also repeatedly stated that his prime service to his Gurudeva and the Guru Parampara was to write his books and make his Vani available to one and all. So both are important services. He went through so much trouble for management because he wanted institution to distribute his Vani far and wide.


we must then consider, if the institution is so bad why did Srila Prabhupada continue to establish it, even when deviations were happening at that time? because his spiritual master wanted it.


I don't know why you say this because we or no one here has ever said or even indirectly hinted that any institution is bad or deviated or anything like that. In fact, others are telling that about us. But we never believe in tit for tat. We believe in respecting and appreciating all devotees in all groups even though they may not do the same our us.


Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Maharaja also set up an institution and his instructions were clear, to set up a GBC. sadly only one of his followers established that GBC. Srila Prabhupada.


These services are nice and those devotees are praiseworthy who are sincerely serving this order of Shrila Prabhupada. But it cannot be forced that all the followers of the Vani of Shrila Prabhupada in the world everywhere have to only be under such and such management authority and institution. Just like it cannot be forced that all followers of the Vani of Shrila Bhaktisiddhanta Prabhupada have to remain under the management of the two main branches of Gaudiya Math: the Chaitanya Math and Gaudiya Mission. Shrila Bhaktisiddhanta's disciples formed many missions and they all increased the glories of their Shrila Gurudeva maybe even more than a single mission would have done.


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I do not agree with this fully. Shrila Prabhupada made the Bhaktivedanta Book Trust and stated that he want BBT to go on publishing his books even if Iskcon would go bankrupt one day. So for him, Vani was always the substance and even more important than the institution.


Where did he get that vision? From Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura. And although Srila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura had given the instructions to form a GBC
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Shrila Bhaktisiddhanta Prabhupada also was interested only in the substance, the Vani. When his disciples started fighting in his biggest temple for rooms, he said he desired to sell off all the marble (close down the temple) and publish books (Vani). This again proves the teachings of the Acharyas are more important than the institutions they make. He also stated that conventional organizations are only temporarily arrangements and cannot hold the flow of the unconventional teachings of the Acharyas for a very long time on this mundane platform.


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I do not accept this at all. How can you club all the followers of Shrila Bhaktisiddhanta Prabhupada into one group? Has one personally met all of them and known their intentions in serving their Shrila Gurudeva? If all of them neglected their Guru's instructions, then why did Shrila Prabhupada come back in 1969 with his disciples and offer Iskcon to his godbrother Shrila Bhakti Rakshaka Shridhara Maharaja? Many of them preached sincerely and dedicatedly from their own missions. It was Shrila Prabhupada who was chosen for the wonderful mission to the western countries. But that should never be used to minimize the bhajana, preaching and dedication of his other sincere Godbrothers.


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I just want to say that pure love will not come by simply accepting the burden of management. It will become by voluntarily accepting the burden of chanting Laksha Naam daily which is ultimate burden all our Acharyas want us to accept. Management is not directly Svarupa-siddha Bhakti like shravana and kirtana. But when we do it, we please our Shrila Gurudeva if that is his instruction. And then by his mercy, we attain taste and attraction for hearing and chanting which is svarupa siddha bhakti, our real goal.


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One can always find a proper balance between Naam bhajana and prachara (preaching). Shrila Bhaktisiddhanta Prabhupada was chanting Laksha Naam daily and still preaching the pure message to thousands of people and did not become a babaji is Radha Kunda.


Lastly I read a few negative comments above regarding the levels of advancement of devotees, let us consider that the head of our entire Sampradaya Lord Brahma chased after his own daughter for sexual intersourse. This material world is full of faults and Srila Prabhupada writes we should expect a eutopia here. Rather if we work together in a spirit of co opeartion then Prabhupada said that is how we will show our love for him.
 

Sorry, I again don't understand where you read the negative comments. Maybe you read into them and thought that they were negative towards some institution or devotees but believe me there was no such intention at least from me. We do not engage in or permit any kind of even indirect minimization of the devotional services of any devotees or groups etc. Anyway this is my last reply in this topic on this institutional issue. Thank you Gopala Guru dasa was kindly sharing your comments. Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krishna!

Daaso'smi, Swami Gaurangapada.



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