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Whom to trust

Post Author: truthseeker    Date: 2008-01-25 05:55:20
Haribol!!! Please accept my humble obeisances and all glories to Srila Prabhupada.

I am so lost now a days. I dont know whom to trust and whom not to trust. I am aspiring for a Guru. But dont know whom to trust. I like Vaishnava culture a lot amd wamt to get initiated. Please guide me. -- Hare Krihsna.

Post Author: Swami Gaurangapada    Date: 2008-01-25 15:44:55
Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krishna! Jaya Shri Guru Parampara! Pranams! Welcome truthseeker. I hope we can serve you. It would be better though if we don't remain anonymous for sadhu sanga. I can understand. As Kali Yuga progresses, it is becoming increasingly difficult to trust Vaishnavas. This is another of Maya's tricks to destroy faith of the general populace in Naama Bhakti Yoga. The reasons why one may not be able to trust a Vaishnava fully is that the Vaishnava may have ulterior motives for extracting money or for accumulating name and fame or due to unfavorable dealings with other devotees. The first one is easy to find out but the second one is on a subtle level and is very difficult to determine. Thus, the most important way for understanding a Vaishnava is to understand his or her teachings and writings. If you are finding those teachings close to your heart, then he or she is worthy to take shelter of (svajatiya). The second most important quality is that our spiritual guide should be guileless and simple. Other qualities are sincerity and the humility from deep within the heart that one is always a servant of all the living entities (a Guru should never act as if he is superior to any other living entity). One should never be eager to take a superior position even in the position of a Guru.

Daaso'smi, Swami Gaurangapada.

Post Author: truthseeker    Date: 2008-01-26 05:45:09
Thanks Maharaj. That was helpful. But how do we come to know that a person is self- realized and has seen or realized truth in someway. One may act humble and all. But what are the signs of a person who has realized the absolute truth? Being the fallen soul that I am , I am nobody to judge. But I want to make sure that I am in safe hands, someone who can guide me properly.

Post Author: Swami Gaurangapada    Date: 2008-01-26 05:50:07
Nityaananda! Gauraanga! Hare Krishna! You cannot know that fully unless you yourself realize the truth. When you reach that platform of realization, you can then understand the talks and the activities of such an advanced Vaishnava. There are signs given in the scriptures about a realized soul. But the most easy sign to identify is to note his or her taste in the constant chanting of the Holy Names...jaara jata naame ruchi, taara tata vaishnava..."To the extent, one is attached to chanting of Naama, to that extent one is a Vaishnava." Please let me know if you have further questions.

Daaso'smi, Swami Gaurangapada.

Post Author: truthseeker    Date: 2008-01-26 17:45:10
Nityananda!!! Gauranga!!!! Hare Krishna!!!
Maharaj you said
>>You cannot know that fully unless you yourself realize the truth.

So the first step is to realize truth ourselves and then seek for a guru, that way we will not be cheated. I have been thinking that absolute truth is not someone's property. It is universal and everyone should be able to realize it irrespective of the sect or religion or school of thought that they belong to.

Personally I am a student of engineering in my final year. Though the usual course for most of the people is to get a decent education, get a job and then get married have children and so on. I dont like that path since it is so robotic in nature. Personally I am thinking after completion of my education I want to enter into seclusion. I dont know how practical is my thinking. Please advise me on this. My mind is realy troubled since I dont want to trust anyone.

Post Author: Hadai Nityananda dasa    Date: 2008-01-27 16:55:55
Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krishna!

Dear truth seeker,

You say that you have a troubled mind because you don't want to trust anyone. In this one sentence you have given yourself a profound answer. You not only don't trust anyone, you don't want to trust anyone. If you don't want it, it will not happen and your mind will remain troubled. Do you think that seclusion will be the solution? Just run away from everything? I don't know how deeply hurt you are and what has caused you to not wanting to trust anyone. To me it sounds you live already in seclusion even though you are living between people. Trust doesn't come overnight. Trust is something that builds overtime but you have to start somewhere. The first step for you is to come back to this forum with your real identity.

Truth you can trust. But you don't want to trust so how can you find truth? Please consider to come out of your shell and receive the blessings of this sincere forum. We are all real people here and we have the best of intentions to help you the best we can to reconnect you with the Absolute Truth Lord Gauranga Krishna. If you want to make this significant step you are very welcome.

Your servant,

Hadai Nityananda dasa

Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krishna!

Post Author: truthseeker    Date: 2008-01-27 18:06:05
Nityananda!!!! Gauranga!!! Hare Krishna!!!

Sorry Maharaj for hiding my identity. How do I disclose my identity. My name is Vishwajit.

Its not that I have been living in seclusion even though I was living among people. I have been in touch with some of the devotees. I liked some of them and even trust some of them. But I havent gotten any satisfactory answers. If I asked a devotee or a maharaj what is an apple then they told me what is an orange. You know what I mean.

One more thing that troubles me is that mind is so vulnerable. You put mind among a group of saints then it gets the characteristics of a saint, and if its put among a group of thieves then it becomes a thief and so on. If some one says Sri Krishna is God and the Absolute Truth then its left to me whether I order my mind to believe in it or not. Is Absolute Truth based on belief? It cannot be . Because if some one believed that Lord Siva is the absolute truth, then he will realise Lord Siva as absolute truth.For that matter if you tell your mind to believe in something it eventualy starts thinking that yes that is true. Is there any personality in the history of humanity who has realised that Lord Krishna is the Absolute Truth without anybody telling him. Is it possible to realise absolute truth without conditioning of the mind in any way?

In this way my list of questions is endless. I can go on.

Another interesting question I once asked a devotee was, what about a person who is born deaf, dumb and blind. How can such a person realize absolute truth?
Kindly Reply.

Post Author: truthseeker    Date: 2008-01-27 18:16:44
Also Maharaj,
There are some saints in India who go into seclusion(correct me if I am wrong). Are they also running away from everything. I dont think so. These people are realy hungry for truth more than anything else.

Post Author: Bhakta Igor    Date: 2008-01-28 15:59:27
Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krsna
Dear truthseeker, to have doubts and to ask questions in order to find who is who is actually manifestation of intelligence. It is said that spiritual master should test potentional disciple in order to see if candidate is serious and really want spiritual knowledge, but also disciple may ask different questions to see if guru is bonafide and able to give highest truths to him. That is two-fold process. And if candidate see - yes this person is on highest level of devotion, this is original spiritual master - he or she should surrender to him. Accepting guru or guidance is not based on blind faith or fanatism. No. Specially in this age of Kali, there are many , many persons in dress of sanyasis and gurus,and intelligent student must discriminate who is who.
That is only possible if person get sasta-caksu - or high understanding of sastras. If you get knowledge you will be able to understand who is who.
Personally I am trying to be devotee for more then 15 years. Spiritual life is long voyage, so please do not hurry. I can understand your desire to go in isolation, I myself very often think on similar way. I am grhastha (grhamedhi) and have thousands obligations and duties and I can not presently abandon wordly affairs, whereas within my sinful hearth I want to live simple life in meditation and absorb in Naam. I would suggest to you to be free to ask whatever possible question may arise in your mind to Swami Gaurangapada, deeply understand sastras and you will not have any doubts. Sradha or faith in someone is not product of fanatism or blind faith it is realization that that person is really genuine devotee that may help you. That is all. We all are travelers and seekers for Truth, and we should help each other in this journey. I would humbly suggest you to follow your hearth and you will surely find all answers. To have association of pure devotees is rarest thing that person may have. You are sincere in your endeavors and your attitude is showing that you do not want to live in illusion of material world anymore.
Nityanada Gauranga Hare Krsna

Post Author: Swami Gaurangapada    Date: 2008-01-30 17:45:41
So the first step is to realize truth ourselves and then seek for a guru, that way we will not be cheated. I have been thinking that absolute truth is not someone's property. It is universal and everyone should be able to realize it irrespective of the sect or religion or school of thought that they belong to.

The only fault in this argument is that the Bhagavad Gita states that gyaaninas tattva darshinah..."One can realize the truth only by receiving it from an advanced soul who has realized the truth." So you will not be able to understand the truth simply by remaining in seclusion. It will simply be a waste of time without proper advanced association. Bhaktas are vehicles of Bhakti. Bhakti is not available at any other place, not even in seclusion.

You have to learn to trust humble and genuine devotees. They are your real friends. Human life is meant to place trust in Satsanga or the association of Sat devotees. I am sorry to say that there is no other way...martyaanaam kim uta aashishah...bhagavata sangi sangasya. There certainly exist such humble and advanced devotees in this world who are worthy of our trust and our duty is to find them.

Please read the song..dusta mana, tuma kishera Shrila Sarasvati Prabhupada about going into seclusion in an immature stage. It is highly detrimental. One will just become more overwhelmed with speculations and material desires.

Hearing is not just performed by our external ears but also by the internal ears of the our soul. One can also hear the spiritual sound vibration internally (similar to mental chanting). So even a deaf, dumb or blind person can chant and hear the Holy Names and internally see the Lord face to face with the spiritual senses of the soul. The Lord grants such souls with more advanced capabilities for hearing internally.

If you find grihastha ashrama or household life robotic in nature, then you can become a brahmachari in proper advanced association of devotees. But seclusion will never be a solution for practicing Naama Bhajana unless you have attained deep insight in Naama Bhajana.

I hope this has helped. If you have any further questions, please let me know. Nityaananda! Gauraanga! Hare Krishna!

Daaso'smi, Swami Gaurangapada.

Post Author: truthseeker    Date: 2008-01-30 22:18:19
Thank you Maharaj I am relieved to some extent. Thanks to other devotees also who tried to answer my questions. All of you have been realy kind. I will constantly pray for the association of pure devotees and Hari nama. Nityananda!!! Gouranga!!! Hare Krishna!!!


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