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Is eating chocolate intoxication?

Post Author: Swami Gaurangapada    Date: 2006-01-14 06:54:29
Title: Is eating chocolate intoxication?
User: Igor    Date: 2007-04-03 16:35:43

Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krsna
All glories to chanting of Nityananda and Gauranga Naam!
Short question - is eating chocolate intoxication? There seems to be different opinions among devotees about that. Some says that it can be offered to Lord, other that it is intoxication, and that even children should not take it.
Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krsna

Title: Re: Is eating chocolate intoxication?
User: Swami Gaurangapada    Date: 2007-04-03 17:12:36

Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krishna! Jaya Guru Parampara! Pranams  and Blessings ! Igor, glad to hear from you after some time. I hope your Naam bhajan is steadily advancing. Chocolate is made from cacao which is widely accepted as a mild intoxicant. It may have some medicinal properties but it is a stimulant.

Coffee, chocolate and cacao (raw or cooked) are stimulants. They contain certain substances (caffeine and theobromine) that disturb the nervous system. If a person is eating a more natural diet, these have an even more disturbing effect on the system. So those who do not take stimulants should be careful about consuming caffeinated drinks and cacao products, which include: coffee, hot chocolate, black chocolate, raw cacao beans, black tea, green tea, mat?tea, etc. You can search about it more on the internet.

From an article: By the early 1600s, European researchers were reporting indications that chocolate may affect moods. Indeed, Grivetti says, because chocolate was perceived as an intoxicant, it was deemed unsuitable for women or children
—at least until the 14th century.

Considering it's intoxicating and stimulating properties even though mild, devotees normally avoid it and especially do not offer it to the Lord.

Disclaimer: The statements in this post may not have medical evidence backing them up.

Title: Re: Is eating chocolate intoxication?
User: Igor    Date: 2007-04-03 17:58:52

Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krsna
Thank you for quick answer. It is clear now. Presently I am engage in many material duties and obligations of family life (my wife is in 9th of pregnency) so I am working 100% on all fields, cooking, shoping, cleaning etc + job...etc.
This is mayby offtopic but shortly - in this position person can learn to give, learn a little bit of service, not to desire for itself, to sacrifice all for wellbeing of others. In our fallen position we are engage in serving our material relatives, or in my case presently wife and making arrangements for baby, and that requires many sacrificess. By this example I am starting to realise little more what surrender to Lord means. There is no logic, no hindrances. Like father who is capable to do anything just to do needfull things for satisfaction of its child, so devotee is eager to do anything to do anything to satisfy Lord. Just a thought...
Still trying to find balance between material obligations/duties/desires and spiritual life. Hoping and praying that your health is well   and that preaching is going well  
Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krsna

Title: Re: Is eating chocolate intoxication?
User: Swami Gaurangapada    Date: 2007-04-03 18:27:30

Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krishna! Jaya Guru Parampara! Pranams  and Blessings !  Yes, we are busy in doing so many activities externally for the baby's birth but Lord Kapila describes what the baby has to go through inside the mother's womb in the 3rd Canto of Shrimad Bhagavatam as follows:

Under the supervision of the Supreme Lord, according to his karma, the living entity is put into a particle of male semen and then injected into the mother
’s womb, so that he can assume a particular type of body. On the first night, the semen and ovum mix, and by the firth day, the mixture ferments into a bubble. By the tenth day, it develops into a small lump of flesh, and at the end of one month, the head is formed. At the end of two months, the fingers, toes, hair, bones, and skin appear, as well as the nine outlets. Within four months, the seven essential ingredients of the body come into being- skin, blood, flesh, fat, bone, marrow and semen. At the end of five months, hunger and thirst are felt, and by the end of six months, the fetus begins to move on the right side of the abdomen if a male, and on the left side if a female.

    The fetus grows by receiving nutrition from the food and drink that are consumed by the mother and passed on through the umbilical cord. All the while, the child remains in an abominable place, which is the breeding ground for all kinds of worms, due to the presence of stool and urine. Since his tender body is bitten all over by these hungry worms, the child suffers terribly and thus loses consciousness from moment to moment. Because the mother eats food that is too bitter, pungent, sour or salty, the child suffers almost unbearable pain. While placed within the amnion and surrounded by the mother
’s intestines, the child remains laying with his head turned toward his belly, so that his back and neck are arched like a bow. In this way, he is caged without any freedom, and is pushed downward by the air that presses against him during the week prior to delivery.

    If he is fortunate, the child is given an opportunity to remember all the troubles that he had endured during his previous one hundred births, and thus he laments grievously.

Having developed consciousness from the seventh month, the child begins praying to the Lord with folded hands:
“My dear Lord, I am taking shelter of You, the Supreme Personality of Godhead. Because You have put me into this miserable condition of life, You can also give me relief if You so desire. Because of forgetting my relationship with You, O Lord, I have been put under the control of the material nature, forcing me to undergo a hard struggle for existence while on the path of repeated birth and death.?
“Because maya is so strong, without Your mercy, I will not be able to engage in Your transcendental loving service, and therefore, I am surrendering unto You. I have fallen into a pool of blood, stool and urine within my mother’s womb, and her gastric fire is scorching my body. Being very anxious to get out of here, I have been counting the days and wondering, ‘O my Lord, when shall I, a wretched soul, become released from this confinement???

“My dear Lord, by Your mercy I have come to my senses, although only ten months old, and thus there is no way for me to properly express my gratitude. By your grace, I have received this human body, which affords the facility for understanding my relationship with You. Although I am in such a miserable condition, I have now come to my clear consciousness. I think that it is better for me to remain here and meditate upon Your lotus feet, rather than come out of the womb and become captured by Your external energy, for that will make me forget everything.?
    As the child is thus worshiping the Lord, the wind that helps parturition begins propelling him downward, face first, so that he may be born. After being suddenly pushed by that wind, he comes out of the womb, head downward, with great difficulty, and due to the severe agony, he is breathless and deprived of memory. Smeared all over with blood and stool, the child cries as he is given to the care of persons who cannot understand his wants. Since he is unable to refuse what is given to him, he falls into undesirable circumstances. Being made to lay down on a bed that is infested with germs, the poor child cannot even scratch his body to get relief from the itching sensation. In that helpless condition- mosquitoes, bugs and germs bite his tender skin, and thus he cries bitterly.

    Due to the spell of maya, he cannot remember the determination to gain salvation that he had possessed while within the womb. In this way, he suffers as a baby. Then, later on, when he is enrolled in school, he also suffers due to being forced to study when he would rather play. In youth, he has so many desires that he cannot fulfill, and thus he gradually becomes frustrated. He ends up accepting the material body as the self, and other nonpermanent things as his own.

My prayers that your child is a nice devotee right from birth and advances in bhakti in the spiritual association of both of you. Yes, if bearing a child requires so many sacrifices, how much more we should be ready to go to see the Supreme Personality Lord Gauranga Krishna face to face. Thanks.

Title: Re: Is eating chocolate intoxication?
User: Igor    Date: 2007-04-04 08:34:54

Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krsna
Thank you for your best wishes and prayers. Just one more question...Is condition of every soul like that or it is different in case of parent-devotees. For example my wife in pregnency ate only last four months she is taking only light non salted food and she is chanting auspicious mantras from first day of pregnency etc. I supposed that all such activities must have positive effect.
Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krsna

Title: Re: Is eating chocolate intoxication?
User: Swami Gaurangapada    Date: 2007-04-04 09:48:37

Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krishna! Jaya Guru Parampara! Pranams  and Blessings ! Whatever we do, we can only try to minimize to a very small extent of the great pain experienced by the child in the mother's womb. Due to the child's karma, the soul takes a rebirth and thus suffer the extreme pain of birth. The mother's eating only prasadam and chanting the Holy Names and Mantras during pregnancy may surely give the child more hope and some spiritual immunity and protection in the womb and thus the soul's prayers to the Lord in the last two months in the womb may become even more intense and sincere so there is much more probability that the child will come out and worship the Lord with devotion for his or her whole life going against the ever down-pulling current of Maya. Ofcourse sometimes in the rare cases when the Lord wants to send His great associates, they may also take birth in normal devotee parents' homes but in that case, they are never subject to the pangs of birth, karma etc. Like for example, Lord Kapila delivered his own mother by instructing her about devotional service.

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