Athiesm and Chance Theory refuted & rejected.

Post Author: Swami Gaurangapada    Date: 2006-01-14 06:54:29
Title: Athiesm and Chance Theory refuted & rejected.
User: Bhushan Nityananda dasa    Date: 2007-06-10 09:48:04

Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krishna
Gurudeva please accept my humble dandavats at your lotus feet
dandavats at lotus feet of all devotees

Gurudeva mercifully spoke the following points refutimg the probability theory in a conversation with me.
Swami= HH Swami Gaurangapada
me=bhushan nityananda das
me: Gurudeva today i was trying to preach to atheist
so he had argument
about relative truths
Swami: ok
me: that its upto ones belief
Swami: But the absolute truth has to be one
me: how to convince that Lord Gauranga Krishna is Absolute Truth
 he says there is no absolute
 everythings relative based on probability
Swami: if there are millions of beliefs, does it mean that there are million of realities
me: but he believes all these have a certain probability
 each reality has certain probability
 he says life came from God is also acceptable and life came by chance also acceptable, both are equally p0robable
Swami: you know what is the probability that life came by chance
 Scientists calculation that
 10- raised to - 40
 You can quote him that research by the scientists
 It is there in the NITAI Veda - Origins
me: ok
Swami: 10 raised to minus 40
 is the probability
me: oh
 but he was arguing that probability that life comes from God is also that small
Swami: even if argue that everyone is based on probability, since some have much more prob than others
No, the experiment proved that there is a higher intelligence
me: oh
Swami: 100% probability
me: wow
Swami: Also ask him what probability death has?
me: yeah
Swami: what is the probability that he will not die
me: he said that in future man will overcome death
Swami: if he says 0%
then it means there are somethings which have 0% probability
me: yes
Swami: scientists know all the reactions and chemicals in the body in detail
 if they cannot stop old age and death now, how can stop it later
me: because they will become advanced
Swami: if there was a chance, they would have talked about it
me: but earlier people would laugh at he prospect of flying, so using the same logic
Swami: but hardly anyone talks about it, they try to hide the truth
 even now man cannot fly
 he just sits in a mechanical plane which flies
me: yes
Swami: birth and death are inherent truths of the body
not like flying in the plane
me: yes
Swami: he will also die while calculating the probability of his death
me: yes
but he asked that what i am telling is my belief
 so i said its by authorised bonafide people
Swami: You can tell him in the Vedas, probability is a term meaning ignorance of the truth
 it is modern invention term
 because you don't know exactly, you are talking about probability
me: oh
Swami: When the truth is known, there is no probability
me: yes
Swami: So when you are using the world "probable", it means you are unsure
me: yes
Swami: so it means you are in ignorance of the truth
 so why not accept it
me: yes but when i say the truth he says its my belief and not necessary that its absolute
Swami: No, you can tell him, it is the truth
 so probability itself proves that truth exists
because your source of knowledge in the Vedic scriptures which talk only of the truth, no probabilities
 Who wants to know unsure probable knowledge
 no one wants to even hear about what is probable
 everyone wants to hear the facts
me: yes
Swami: the truth
 I can make a million combinations of probability
 but no one will look at it
me: yes
Swami: unless they know it is the truth
 So he should stop wasting his time with probabilities
 and try to search for truth
if there is probability that the truth exists
 then why not try to find it
me: yes
Swami: he agrees that there is a probability that absolute exists
me: yes
Swami: then why not try to find it
me: but he said its not fact
as many people consider many things as absolute
Swami: how can he say it is not a fact
me: so who really is absolute is a belief
Swami: he should say that it is also a probability that it i snot a fact
 why is he using absolute terms
 if he thinks everything is probable
 why does he say this is my wife
he should day there is a probability that she is my wife
me: yeah i asked him what is probability that you are dead
Swami: he conveniently gives up probability when he wants
me: he said by empirical prior evidence
Swami: and talks about it when he wants
me: yes
Swami: but empirical prior evidence is also a probability
 according to his philosophy
me: yes actually
 but he said about ______
 he is staunch follower of him
Swami: his existence is also a probability
me: yes
Swami: there is a probability that _____ never existed as per his theory
me: yes
i should tell him tht
he came to the sankitan when you were here
Swami: yes, why is he forgetting that there is a probability that stephen hawkins maybe wrong
me: yes
Swami: why is he accepting him more than others
me: cause he is director
Swami: but if everyting is probabilty, then he should accept everything equally, why someone more than others.
me: yes
Swami: tell him that there is a big probability that his probability theory may be total fabrication
me: yeah
Swami: what if that is true?
 his life will be cheated
me: yes
ill tell him
when he comes during night
Swami: so he might well get his probabilities right
 otherwise his life will become a probability
me: yeah
Swami: not reality
Swami: he should try to search for the truth where probability end
me: to bring such people to Gauranga Krishna consciousness
 Gurudeva i heard that its the parmatama which inspires
to do sense gratification or do KC
Swami: no
me: oh
Swami: Paramatma never inspires for sense gratification
infact He feels great pain
me: oh
 but depending on propensities he inspires?
Swami: He always inspires for GKC
me: oh
Swami: No, He never inspires for wrong things
 He only permits us to do them
me: but i read that the wife of Shrila Prabhupada sold SB and hence SP took sannyasa , it was Krishna's mercy, so didnt the parmatama tell SPs wife to sell SB?
Swami: No
me: oh
Swami: He just allowed it
me: ok
is there any case where He dosen't allow
Swami: Shrila Prabhupada would have taken sannyasa anyway, his Gurudeva had a mission for him
me: oh
Swami: but he may give quick suffering
 for those whom He wants them not to do it again
me: oh
Swami: Paramtama may inspire us not to do it, but He never stops it
 That is the free will of the soul
me: oh
thank you soooo much
Swami: he leaves the final decision to us
 yatthechasi tatha kuru
aspiring to be humble servant of your lotus feet
bhushan nityananda das
Nityananda Gauranga Hare Krishna