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Title: Why good things happen to bad people

User: Swami Gaurangapada Date: 2006-07-28 21:11:41

 

Why "good" things happen to bad people

 

Mahabharata Vana parva chapter 94

 

"Yudhishthira said, 'O best of celestial Rishis, I do not think that I am

without merits. Yet am I afflicted with so much sorrow that there never

was a king like me. I think, however, that my enemies are destitute of

good qualities and even destitute of morality. Yet why, O Lomasa, do they

prosper in this world?"

 

"Lomasa said, 'Grieve not ever, O king, O son of Pritha, that sinful men

should often prosper in consequence of the sins they commit. A man may be seen to prosper by his sins, obtain good therefrom and vanquish his foes. Destruction, however, overtakes him to the roots. O king, I have seen many Daityas and Danavas prosper by sin but I have also seen destruction overtake them. O exalted one, I have seen all this in the righteous age of yore. The gods practised virtue, while the Asuras abandoned it. The gods visited the tirthas, while the Asuras did not visit them. And at first the sinful Asuras were possessed with pride. And pride begat vanity and vanity begat wrath. And from wrath arose every kind of evil propensities, and from these latter sprang shamelessness. And in

consequence of shamelessness, good behaviour disappeared from among them.

 

And because they had become shameless and destitute of virtuous

propensities and good conduct and virtuous vows, forgiveness and

prosperity and morality forsook them in no time. And prosperity then, O

king, sought the gods, while adversity sought the Asuras. And when the

Daityas and the Danavas, deprived of sense by pride, were possessed by

adversity. Kali also sought to possess them. And, O son of Kunti,

overwhelmed with pride, and destitute of rites and sacrifices, and devoid

of reason and feeling, and their hearts full of vanity, destruction

overtook them soon. And covered with infamy, the Daityas were soon

destroyed.

 

Title: Re: Why good things happen to bad people

User: Igor     Date: 2006-07-29 09:30:29

 

Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krishna!

 

Very interesting points. Sometimes we can see that very bad persons have wealth, honor, have health etc. And from other side "good" persons may live poorly, have material problems etc. It seems that in this age all qualities and values are twisted – what is bad is considers for good quality and good qualities are obstacles in this surviving world. I was just told by a person – if you want to prosper in this world – you must lie! That is secret of succesfull business! And that person is in materially sense a very succesfull person! Shrila Prabhupada once said that this world, this place, is not for gentleman. Therefore we should leave this place of lies, corruption, pain, death by taking divine boat of Lords Holy Names.

 

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Title: Re: Why good things happen to bad people

User: Nava Gauranga dasa  Date: 2006-07-29 10:14:52

 

Shrila Prabhupada once said that this world, this place, is not for gentleman. Therefore we should leave this place of lies, corruption, pain, death by taking divine boat of Lords Holy Names. quote by Igor

 

Yes indeed Igor. I also recall Shrila Prabhupada's words from a small book, that this Krishna consciousness movement is for creating 'first class gentleman'.:clapabove1:

 

Title: Re: Why good things happen to bad people

User: JagannathaGaurangadasa     Date: 2006-07-29 23:47:50

 

Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krishna!

 

Yes in this degraded age people like the Daityas who are the corrupt are seemingly the most succesful which is befitting this age of Kali.  It's almost as if the most egotistical, greedy and irrelgious people become the most seemingly succesful, most likely because there is no one really to stop them because of the strong influence of Kali. These  people have the money, they have the support of the common mudha and they seemingly prosper, at least initially. We must remember though the symptoms of the raja and tama guna in which they are controlled by. Initially and immediately things seem very pleasurable; there is much sense enjoyment, but later things become very distressful and ultimately they have to go to the abode of Yamaraja, and that surely can't be enjoyable. Kind of like eating a bunch of tasty junk food, but then later on one gets a bad stomach ache or health problems down the road and has to undergo painful surgeries because of one's impudence.

 

So I guess we could say that very insignificant good things like bodily and mental sense gratification can be obtained by the bad people initially, but later they have to suffer the results of their activities, and that is never good or pleasurable. So they are simply controlled by passion which in reality is always miserable, so miserable.

 

And then seemingly "bad" things can happen to good people, but I think this just allows them to become more humble and dependent on God, which is what they really cherish and is eternally very auspicious to them. Goodbye material world and your illusory coverings! The Holy Names are our only shelter.

 

Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krishna!

 

Title: Re: Why good things happen to bad people

User: Igor     Date: 2006-07-30 08:22:30

 

And then seemingly "bad" things can happen to good people, but I think this just allows them to become more humble and dependent on God,

 

 

There is also wonderful prayer of Queen Kunti in Shrimad Bhagavatam that confirms this SB.1.8.25:

 

 

vipada santu tah sasvat

tatra tatra jagat guro

bhavatad darsanam yat syad

apunar bhava darsanam

 

 

 

 TRANSLATION

 I wish that all those calamities would happen again and again so that we could see You again and again, for seeing You means that we will no longer see repeated births and deaths.

 

Title: Re: Why good things happen to bad people

User: JagannathaGaurangadasa     Date: 2006-07-30 10:36:42

 

Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krishna!

 

That is a very nice and appropriate verse. Also Haridasa Thakura and Prahlada Maharaja come to mind. They were both put into so much hardship and had to undergo so much harassment but instead of becoming distracted their remembrance and faith in the Lord only increased.