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Title: Mayavadis

User: hadai   Date: 2006-12-31 01:03:55


Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krishna! Please, accept my humble obeisances. All glories to the guru parampara. All glories to the devotees of the Lord.


Shrila Prabhupada is the Second Chance:


  Mayavadis, or impersonalists, cannot glorify the name, form, and pastimes of the Lord because they think that God has no form and that His pastimes are maya, illusory. Why should God not have a form? We have a form because our father has a form. So why should the supreme father not have a form? In the Bhagavad-gita (14.4) Krishna says, aham bija-pradah pita: "I am the seed-giving father of all beings."  The Christians also believe that God is the supreme father. If the sons all have forms, how is it that the father has no form? We cannot be born of a father who is formless. Isvarah paramah krishnah sac-cid-ananda-vigrahah: "Krishna is the supreme controller and the cause of all causes, and He possesses an eternal form of knowledge and bliss." (Brahma-samhita 5.1) Vigraha means "form." If God is the cause of all causes, the creator, and He is creating all these forms, how can He be formless?


God has a form, but it is not a form like ours. His form is sac-cid-ananda, but ours is just the opposite. God's form is sat, eternally existing, while man's form is asat, temporary. God's form is cit, full of knowledge, but ours is acit, full of ignorance. And His form is full of ananda, bliss, but ours is full of nirananda, misery. It is only because we cannot conceive of a form so different from ours that sometimes it is said God is nirakara, without form.


  God's form is transcendental. That means His body is not material but spiritual. His form is of a different nature than that to which we are accustomed. In the Vedas it is said that God sees but that He has no eyes. This means that God's eyes are unlike ours--they are spiritual, not material. We can see only so far, whereas God can see everything because He has eyes everywhere. His eyes, His form, His hands and legs are of a different nature than ours.


Your servant,    Hadai Nityananda dasa


Title: Re: Mayavadis

User: Michael Lakey Date: 2006-12-31 20:44:24


Yes Hadai Nityananda Dasa;  and we so often see false incarnations promoting the impersonal aspect of Krishna as the supreme and the supreme spiritual achievement for the conditioned atmas.


Dear Swami Gaurangapada has stated very categorically why these puffed-up "Avataras" cause an additional degrading effect on the planet's spiritual atmosphere   - because they never primarily recommend the authorized process of the chanting of the holy names for realization and permanent emancipation from Maya.


Thank you for this nice explanation of Shrila Prabhupada.


Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krishna!


Bhakta Michael