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Title: Maya conceals the true Vaishnava

User: Swami Gaurangapada Date: 2006-02-23 04:06:32


Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krishna! Due to some technical problems, the forum board had to be reset. So we lost the posts made yesterday. Thus, I am posting again the post made by Lila Gauranga dasa yesterday. I made a comment to this post yesterday but that is also lost and I do not have a backup of it. If anyone has it's backup, please post it in this thread. Thankyou.



Posted by Lila Gauranga dasa:


Once someone asked Shrila Gaura-kisora Prabhu, "The actual character of topmost Vaishnavas does not always seem to correspond to the descriptions of their character which are revealed in the scriptures such as Shrimad Bhagavatam. Such Vaishnavas sometimes even appear to exhibit mundane characteristics. Please be merciful and instruct us in this matter so that we can easily recognize a genuine Vaishnava."


Shrila Babaji Maharaj responded, "Out of his own free will and the inspiration of Krishna, a great Vaishnava, being saddened by the misery of the fallen and conditioned sould, advents himself in a certain family, in a certain place and at a certain time. When such an exalted Vaishnava attracts people by his ecstatic love and devotion and teaches them devotion to Lord Krishna, the Lord considers with some trepidation, 'It will be difficult for Me to repay the debt to those who have surrendered hemselves to such Vaishnavas, who are as dear to Me as My life. I will become the servant of those who are affectionate to My pure devotee, and thus I will easily come under their control.' With this fear Shri Krishna occasionally conceals the spiritual qualities of great sould from the eyes of the public. By the power of Krishna's maya-sakti, the characteristics of the gennuine Vaishnavas are concealed from those who have interests contrary to devotional service. Thus genuine Vaishnavas appear to the materialistic to have materialistic characters. In this mood Krishna examines the living entity to see how much he is actually attracted to the Absolute Truth, and if he is, He reveals the spiritual characteristics of teh great souls. Hence, without the exercise of the independent will of a Visnava, no one can know him even after seeing in him all of the characteristics described by the scriptures. It is often observed that the Vaishnavas praise the materialists and thereafter keep their distance from them. sometimes, out of fear of the crowd, such Vaishnavas conceal their natural spiritual symptoms.


Sometimes they make a pretense of converting materialistic persons into their disciples. They seem to want to be served by them and always take their advice. Thus, they keep their true nature obscured...When the Vaishnavas graciously reveal themselves, faithful persons who become attracted by the mercy of those Vaishnavas and completely surrender to them, can know the true identity of such Vaishnavas.


Those who are very fortunate are not deprived of their service or their mercy. Otherwise, the Vaishnavas devise various deceptive means to hide themselves. To know a Vaishnava one hs to pray sincerely at the lotus feet of Gaura-Nityananda, and by Their mercy, WHEN ONE'S HEART BECOMES DEVOID OF PRIDE AND FILLED WITH HUMILITY, Nitai-Gaura then reveal the true identity of a Vaishnava in one's heart. Nitai-Gaura are revealed through the Vaishnava, and the Vaishnava is revealed by Gaura-Nitai."


Shrila Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakur later explained the truth of the Vaishnavas to one ignorant caste Goswami: "Having perceived the evil in our hearts, the Vaishnavas, in accordance with the verse from Bhagvad-Gita, ye yatha mam prapadyante tams tathaiva bhajamy aham, deceive us in various ways. Having perceived the motive with which we approach them, they Vaishnavas feel there will not be much benefit in their instructing us, and accordingly they speak about various other matters to test our sincerity, keeping themselves absorbed in uninterrupted Bhagavata-bhajana in the meanwhile."


Many materialistic people whimsically approached Shrila Gaura-kishor and were instructed by him according to their predispositions. Being thus deceived, they returned whence they had come. Hearing ordinary talk from Babaji Maharaj about everyday articles, such as flour, rice, oil, betal, potatoes, patola, etc., they got the opportunity to become more interested in worldly affairs. IF ONE POSSESSES A HYPOCRITE'S MATERIALISTIC INSTINCT, then he cannot TRULY associate with sadhus. If on the other hand, one surrenders fully to a sadhu, the sadhu will be plesed to reveal himself to one and will continually speak the Absolute Truth, free from illusion.


Title: Re: Maya conceals the true Vaishnava

User: lilagauranga    Date: 2006-02-23 04:18:31


Nityananda! Gauranga! Hare Krishna! Yes, since association with the Vaishnavas is the gateway to the spiritual world for all the souls, Maya or the illusory energy tries to block the souls from associating with genuine Vaishnvas in many ways. Some of Her ways are sectarianism (there is no advanced devotee outside my group or my institution or my line of thinking or my philosophy), doubts that destroy our chance for the right association, critical mentality and wrong association which takes us away from the association of pure devotees, and/or excessive material attachment which leaves no time for us to associate with pure devotees. Over and above this, the pure devotees themselves try to hide themselves as they are interested only in sincere not cheap followers. Thus it requires a lot of patience to attain and appreciate the true association of pure devotees. If one is interested in quick methods which apparently give instant results, then one will find it very difficult to attain, appreciate and spiritually benefit from the association of pure devotees..........Swami Gaurangapada.