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Title: SP on Vani & Vapu

User: Swami Gaurangapada Date: 2005-02-05 01:16:49


Shrila Prabhupada's Quotes on Vani and Vapu


Physical presence is immaterial. Presence of the transcendental sound

received from the Spiritual Master should be the guidance of life.

That will make our spiritual life successful. If you feel very

strongly about my absence you may place my pictures on my sitting

places and this will be source of inspiration for you.


(SP Letter to Brahmananda and other students, 19/1/67)


But always remember that I am always with you. As you are always

thinking of me, I am always thinking of you also. Although physically

we are not together, we are not separated spiritually. So we should

be concerned only with this spiritual connection.


(SP Letter to Gaurasundara, 13/11/69)


So we should associate by vibration, and not by the physical

presence. That is real association.


(SP Lectures SB, 68/08/18)


There are two conceptions, the physical conception and the

vibrational conception. The physical conception is temporary. The

vibrational conception is eternal. When we feel separation from

Krishna or the Spirirual Master, we should just try to remember their

words or instructions, and we will no longer feel that separation.

Such association with Krishna and the Spiritual Master should be

association by vibration not physical presence. That is real



(SP in Elevation to Krishna Consciousness,(BBT 1973), Page 57)


Although according to material vision His Divine Grace Shrila

Bhaktisiddhanta Sarsavati Thakura Prabhupada passed away from this

material world on the last day of December 1936, I still consider his

Divine Grace to be always present with me by his vani, his words.

There are two ways of association - by vani and by vapuh. Vani means

words and vapuh means physical presence. Physical presence is

sometimes appreciable and sometimes not, but Vani continues to exist

eternally. Therefore, one must take advantage of the Vani, not the

physical presence.


(SP in CC, Antya 5 Conclusion)


Therefore we should take advantage of the Vani, not the physical



(SP Letter to Suci Devi Dasi, 4/11/75)


I shall remain your personal guidance, physically present or not

physically present, as I am getting guidance from my Guru Maharaja.


(SP Room Conversation, Vrindavan, 14/7/77)


It is sometimes misunderstood that if one has to associate with

persons engaged in devotional service, he will not be able to solve

the economic problem. To answer this argument, it is described here

that one has to associate with liberated persons not directly,

physically, but by understanding, through philosophy and logic, the

problems of life.


(SP in SB 3:31:48)


I am always with you. Never mind if I am physically absent.


(SP Letter to Jayananda, 16/9/67)


Paramananda: We're always feeling your presence very strongly, Shrila Prabhupada,

simply by your teachings and your instructions. We're always meditating on your instructions.


Shrila Prabhupada: Thank you. That is the real presence. Physical presence is not



(SP Room Conversation, Vrndavana, 6/10/77)


You write that you have desire to avail of my association again, but

why do you forget that you are always in association with me? When

you are helping my missionary activities I am always thinking of you,

and you are always thinking of me . That is real association. Just

like I am always thinking of my Guru Maharaja at every moment,

although he is not physically present, and because I am trying to

serve him to my best capacity, I am sure he is helping me by his

spiritual blessings. So there are two kinds of association: physical

and preceptorial. Physical association is not so important as

preceptorial association.


(SP Letter to Govinda Dasi, 18/8/69)


As far as my blessing is concerned, it does not require my physical

presence. If you are chanting Hare Krishna there, and following my

instructions, reading the books, taking only Krishna prasadam etc.,

then there is no question of your not receiving the blessings of Lord

Chaitanya, whose mission I am humbly trying to push on.


(SP Letter to Bala Krishna, 30/6/74)


'Anyone who has developed unflinching faith in the Lord and the

Spiritual Master can understand the revealed scripture unfolding

before him'. So continue your present aptitude and you will be

successful in your spiritual progress. I am sure that even if I am

not physically present before you, still you will be able to execute

all spiritual duties in the matter of Krishna Consciousness, if you

follow the above principles.


(SP Letter to Subala, 29/9/67)


So although a physical body is not present, the vibration should be

accepted as the presence of the Spiritual Master, vibration. What we

have heard from the Spiritual Master, that is living.


(SP General lectures, 69/01/13)


Devotee: sometimes the Spiritual Master is far away. He may be

in Los Angeles. Somebody is coming to Hamburg Temple. He thinks 'How

will the Spiritual Master be pleased?'


Shrila Prabhupada: Just follow his order, Spiritual Master is along

with you by his words. Just like my Spiritual Master is not

physically present, but I am associating with him by his words.


(SP SB Lectures, 71/08/18)


Just like I am working, so my Guru Maharaja is there, Bhaktisiddhanta

Sarasvati. Physically he may not be, but in every action he is there.

To serve master's word is more important than to serve physically.


(SP Room Conversation, Vrindavan, 2/5/77)


So that is called prakata, physically present. And there is another

phrase, which is called aprakata, not physically present. But that

does not mean, Krishna is dead or God is dead. That does not mean,

prakata or aprakata, physically present or not present, it does not



(SP Lectures SB 73/12/11)


So, spiritually, there is no question of separation, even physically

we may be in far distant place.


(SP Letter to Syama Dasi, 30/08/68)


I went to your country for spreading this information of Krishna

Consciousness and you are helping me in my mission, although I am not

physically present there but spiritually I am always with you.


(Letter to Nandarani, Krishna Devi and Subala, 3/10/67)


We are not separated actually. There are two - Vani or Vapuh - so

Vapu is physical presence and Vani is presence by the vibration, but

they are all the same.


(SP Letter to Hamsadutta, 22/6/70)


So in the absence of physical presentation of the spiritual master,

the Vaniseva is more important. My Spiritual Master Sarsavati

Goswami, may appear to be physically not present, but still because I

try to serve his instruction, I never feel separated from him.


(SP Letter to Karandhara, 22/8/70)


I also do not feel separation from my Guru Maharaja. When I am

engaged in his service, his pictures give me sufficient strength. To

serve master's word is more important than to serve him physically.


(SP Letter to Syamasundara, 19/7/70)


So far as personal association with Guru is concerned, I was only

with Guru Maharaj 4 or 5 times, but I have never left his

association, not even for a moment. Because I am following his

instruction, I have never felt any separation. There are some of my

Godbrothers here in India, who had constant personal association with

Guru Maharaja, but who are neglecting his orders. This is just like

the bug who is sitting on the lap of the king. He may be very puffed

up by his position but all he can succeed in doing is biting the

king. Personal association is not so important as association through



(SP Letter to Satyadhana, 20/2/72)


So spiritually appearance and disappearance, there is no

difference ... spiritually there is no such difference, appearance or

disappearance. Although this is the disappearance day of Om Vishnupada

Shri Shrimad Bhaktisiddhanta Sarasvati Thakura, there is nothing to be

lamented, although we feel separation.


(SP Lecture, Los Angeles 13/12/73)


So my Guru Maharaja will be very, very much pleased with you ... it

is not that he is dead and gone. That is not spiritual

understanding ... he is seeing. I never feel that I am alone.


(SP Lecture, 2/3/75)


Vani is more important than vapuh.


(SP Letter to Tusta Krishna Das, 14/12/72)


Yes I am glad that your centre is doing so well and all the devotees

are now appreciating the presence of their spiritual master by

following his instructions, although he is no longer present. This is

the right spirit.


(SP Letter to Karandhara, 13/9/70)


The spiritual master by his words, can penetrate into the heart of

the suffering person and inject knowledge transcendental which alone

can extinguish the fire of material existence.


(SP in SB(1987 Ed) 1.7.22)


There are two words, vani and vapuh. Vani means words, and vapuh

means the physical body. Vapuh will be finished. This material body

it will be finished, that is the nature. But if we keep to the vani,

to the words of the spiritual master, then we remain very fixed

up...if you always keep intact, in link with the words and

instructions of the higher instructions, then you are always fresh.

This is spiritual understanding.


(SP General lectures, 75/03/02)


So we should give more stress on the sound vibration, either of Krishna

or Spiritual Master. Never think that I am absent from you, presence

by message(or hearing) is the real touch.


(SP Letter to students, August 1967)


Reception of spiritual knowledge is never checked by any material



(SP SB (1987)Ed) 7.7.1.)


The potency of transcendental sound is never minimised because the

vibrator is apparently absent.


(SP in SB 2.9.8)


The disciple and Spiritual Master are never separated because the

Spiritual Master always keeps company with the disciple as long as

the disciple follows strictly the instructions of the Spiritual

Master. This is called the association of Vani. Physical presence is

called Vapuh. As long as the Spiritual Master is physically present,

the disciple should serve the physical body of the Spiritual Master,

and when the Spiritual Master is no longer physically existing, the

disciple should serve the instructions of the Spiritual Master.


(SP in SB 4:28:47)


If there is no chance to serve the spiritual master directly, a

devotee should serve him by remembering his instructions. There is no

difference between the spiritual masters instructions and the

spiritual master himself. In the absence therefore, his words of

direction should be pride of the disciple.


(SP in CC(1975 Ed) Adi 1.35)


He lives forever by his divine instructions, and the follower lives

with him.


(SP in SB(1962 Ed) Preface)


He reasons ill who tells that Vaishnavas die, when thou art still

living in sound.


(Shrila Bhaktivinoda Thakura)


Yes, the ecstacy of separation of Spiritual Master is even greater

ecstasy than meeting with him.


(SP Letter to Jadurani, 13/1/68)


Krishna and his representative are the same. Similarly, the spiritual

master can be present wherever the disciple wants. A spiritual master

is the principle, not the body. Just like a television can be seen in

thousands of place by the principle of relay monitoring.


(SP Letter to Malati, 28/5/68)


It is better service to Krishna and Spiritual Master in a feeling of

separation; sometimes there is a risk in the matter of direct service.


(SP Letter to Madhusudana, 31/12/67)


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